The Charlie Kirk Thread

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CFordUNC said:
I have absolutely, positively zero delusions that either of the two people to whom I’m referring care about their hypocrisy, and I’m certain they care even less about their hypocrisy being pointed out.
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You are correct; they do not care about those things. The only thing they care about is someone quoting them to point out their hypocrisy, or to get upset about what they are posting, or to acknowledge them at all.

This is like the Myanmar Junta celebrating Trump putting a tariff on them because the US finally recognized them as the power.

The only true power people have in these situation is to deny them the platform they seek. Super ignore takes away their power and for the life of me I am not sure why people are determined to engage them. You take that power away and these are just people screaming in a vacuum, probably at the tree that fell int he forest that nobody was around to hear.
 
Ramrouser said:
The shooter may or may not have been a “novice” but it was a planned, organized hit. He likely had assistance given his escape.
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Definitely agree on it obviously being planned. On an open college campus would s/he definitely need help to escape?

I guess help is always better, though increases risk of being turned in by an accomplice — my knowledge of planning assassinations comes from reading The Day of the Jackal, so more than a bit dated and entirely fictional.
 
I’ve been following a lot of liberal/leftist accounts, subreddits etc over the past few months- don’t align politically but it’s been the best way to find out how to help families and children in Gaza. I have seen exactly no one celebrating Charlie Kirk’s death. Lots of people on the right seem to believe it’s happening but I just don’t see it.

Also interesting (but not surprising) that none of the mass shootings during Trump’s first term… off the top of my head, Parkland, Pulse Nightclub, Las Vegas, El Paso- prompted anything like the statement from last night to find “each and every one of those who contributed to this atrocity and to other political violence, including the organizations that fund it and support it”
 
altmin said:
You are correct. The only thing they care about is someone quoting them to point out their hypocrisy, or to get upset about what they are posting, or to acknowledge them at all.

This is like the Myanmar Junta celebrating Trump putting a tariff on them because the US finally recognized them as the power.

The only true power people have in these situation is to deny them the platform they seek. Super ignore takes away their power and for the life of me I am not sure why people are determined to engage them. You take that power away and these are just people screaming in a vacuum, probably at the tree that fell int he forest that nobody was around to hear.
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Yeah. I really do need to just have the ability to ignore (I don’t mean use the ignore button, I just mean I really need to obtain the maturity that enables me to ignore stupidity without feeling the need to respond to it). I say it often, but it is definitely weakness and immaturity on my part, and I’m certainly not unashamed of it.
 
CFordUNC said:
Yeah. I really do need to just have the ability to ignore (I don’t mean use the ignore button, I just mean I really need to obtain the maturity that enables me to ignore stupidity without feeling the need to respond to it). I say it often, but it is definitely weakness and immaturity on my part, and I’m certainly not unashamed of it.
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It's not an easy task.

I wasn't capable and had to finally put Zen on ignore and he's not that unbearable.

When I read some of the illogical bullshit on the internet, for some reason I'm drawn to try and correct it, but I have to realize that no one is changing those people. The right has been on this path since Reagan, it's not going to turn quickly.
 
The Right is making Charlie Kirk into a martyr. On my way to work this morning I saw 3 different businesses with their flags at half mast. Since I have been at work I have had 2 people tell me to my face you guys did this and you picked the wrong man to kill. This is getting scary.
 
theel4life said:
The Right is making Charlie Kirk into a martyr. On my way to work this morning I saw 3 different businesses with their flags at half mast. Since I have been at work I have had 2 people tell me to my face you guys did this and you picked the wrong man to kill. This is getting scary.
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The right have been begging for an excuse to hurt whomever they want to hurt, and would have found it regardless.

If you need proof, look no further than the fact that we still have absolutely no idea who did this, or why. Does that stop them from threatening you? Did you kill Kirk?
 
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UNCatTech said:
It's not an easy task.

I wasn't capable and had to finally put Zen on ignore and he's not that unbearable.

When I read some of the illogical bullshit on the internet, for some reason I'm drawn to try and correct it, but I have to realize that no one is changing those people. The right has been on this path since Reagan, it's not going to turn quickly.
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Yeah, I think that’s my problem. I feel like I’m trying to correct. I don’t know if it’s because I am a former hard-core conservative and have self corrected and feel like others should do the exact same, or what, but it’s certainly a weakness of mine. It’s not even that I think that I am morally or ethically superior or anything like that – I absolutely do not think that – it’s more so that in some weird twisted way I feel like I can force people to be introspective, which is obviously naïve at best and maybe even arrogant at worst.
 
Trump literally called him a martyr during his remarks yesterday…

Trump calls conservative activist Charlie Kirk a ‘martyr for truth and freedom’​


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Trump calls conservative activist Charlie Kirk a ‘martyr for truth and freedom’

President Trump on Wednesday night said that he was “filled with grief and anger” at the fatal shooting of conservative activist Charlie Kirk at a Utah college campus, and called K…
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“President Trump on Wednesday night … called Kirk a “martyr for truth and freedom.” …”
 
theel4life said:
The Right is making Charlie Kirk into a martyr. On my way to work this morning I saw 3 different businesses with their flags at half mast. Since I have been at work I have had 2 people tell me to my face you guys did this and you picked the wrong man to kill. This is getting scary.
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I would not worry too much. I’m sure Mars Candy Company will put a skirt and some pronouns on the red M&M at some point soon and they’ll be lathered up and fully torqued and onto the next outrage.
 
rodoheel said:
Yeah obviously you have to have training with a firearm to accurately shoot someone at range. I just mean in the “lone wolf vs vast conspiracy” dynamic, it is not as hard as people like to make it seem for a “lone wolf” with some firearms training to do this.
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In some cases, a little firearms training with a decent amount of practice may be all you need.

I don't shoot guns often, but I was naturally more effective with a rifle at a long distance than I was a handgun at a short distance. Had I put in the efforts, I could probably be a pretty decent shot with a rifle, even at even long distances.
 
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In some of my most misanthropic black and white moments I tend to think there are only three groups of people in the world: good people, bad people, and bad people trying to be good (i.e. normal humans.) I firmly see myself in the final category. There are far fewer people in the first category. but they exist - the type that struggle to eat yet will spend their entire weekend working at homeless shelters etc.

The real problem is the second category and there are few too many people in that one. This includes serial trolls. Sure they swim in a pool full of people of much greater crimes and really can't compared, but it doesn't change the fact that they share the same lack of desire to improve as human beings that the truly awful people in that group also do not possess.

At this point a troll participating in this relatively closed community that offers no platform for a wider message and few to no converts to your way of thinking, then you are here to disrupt and provoke a response. I.e. you are here to destroy - not a sign of a good person.

Again, that's taking the world view to an extremely base level, which is a low resolution vista I don't recommend.
 
Watching Charlie Kirk die yesterday made me physically ill. The image of him slumping to his death is something I'll never forget. He did not deserve that.

The reaction to his death has been just as bad. Kirk was not a good person. He contributed mightily to the political climate of this country, which is reaching dangerous levels.

Our flags should not be lowered for Charlie Kirk. But they shouldn't have been raised after the death of Jimmy Carter either. So color me not shocked.
 
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