The Charlie Kirk Thread

UNCatTech said:
Haven't read everything, so maybe I missed this.

Why is it relevant if he was a "Novice". From my experience shooting from distance with any level of accuracy, isn't something a "novice" would be capable of, but more importantly, who cares? A man is dead, does the skill level of the shooter really matter?
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It was first raised in the context that the shooter didn’t need highly specialized firearms training (such as military or law enforcement) to be able to make that shot, which is a valid point in discussing the parameters of who might be a potential shooter in this case.
 
ZenMode said:
Seems pretty clear that he was a martyr, based on the common definitions of the word.
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"Pretty clear" seems presumptuous with us not knowing yet who the shooter was or what motivated them. I would say that it seems likely Kirk was killed because of his political beliefs, though of course we don't yet know which beliefs or what the motivation for killing him was. Kirk wasn't just an enemy of the left; among other conflicts on the right he spent years beefing with Nick Fuentes and his pack of incel weirdos for not being extreme enough.
 
This is totally unrelated to what happened but it’s relevant because people are sharing his videos a ton. In the videos of him walking around South Korea on vacation recently and he’s talking about how great it is because there is no violent crime, there aren’t a ton of homeless people around, it’s clean, etc.

It’s crazy that it’s right in front of his face and he won’t allow himself to see it. They’ve got strict gun laws so yeah, no violent crime. They’ve got social programs like universal healthcare to take care of their people.

At the same time he feels the need to wear bullet proof vests at his events here because guns are everywhere yet he still argues that guns should be everywhere.

It would have been interesting to ask him after visiting South Korea if he thinks allowing freedom to own firearms would be a positive or negative on that country after gushing about how great its current state is
 
Mundial said:
So the thought now is that the shot was around 200 yards, which some are saying is not a hard shot to make. However, this person took that shot once, killed Kirk with law enforcement and people all around them, apparently packed up and/or disassembled their rifle, including possibly the spent cartridge, egressed from the top of the building without being seen by eyewitnesses, apparently made it to transportation and left the scene while somehow rendering all of the camera footage, personal cellphone footage and license plate readers that LEO relies on these days ineffective (so far).

This appears to have been fairly methodically planned. It doesn't appear to be a random person with minimal firearms training who bough an AR and decided to do this on a whim. This person appears to have been experienced.
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It’s been less than 24 hours, let’s not assume the shooter was some kind of super-operative just yet.
 
dukeman92 said:
Sorry. This is the first time I've seen you quote my post.

This is what I was getting at. Folks in the media seem to be gravitating towards asking this as well.

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That is the first time on this thread that I’ve quoted your post (the “x 4” is the number of times I’ve given a similar reaction to everyone in this thread).

If we get months into this and the shooter can’t be identified, then perhaps this line of thought might be valid, but as of right now, it’s probably a little too early to think that cuts at the FBI prevented the agency from identifying the shooter (in less than 24 hours) after the shooter managed to escape the scene.
 
Ramrouser said:
Actually no. I should have clearer in my statement. I’m referring to the Never Trumper grifters who run the Lincoln Project or are Trump haters simply to secure cable TV gigs. They take advantage of and profit on liberals’ TDS.
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As opposed to people like Alex Jones, Ben Shapiro, Laura Loomer, the Libs of TikTok lady, etc. who grift off conservatives’ fear of people unlike themselves, overall mental instability, and general ignorance of reality.
 
11:52 am subject arrived on campus
went through the building up the stairways to the roof
after the shooting went to another part of the building, jumped off the roof, walked off campus into a neighborhood.
they have good video footage of the shooter via doorbell and security cams. they are not releasing the image now
they are confident in their abilities to identify and track the shooter
 
altmin said:
press conference on now:

the two people arrested and let go are now being threatened
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This is why I don't understand why the released the names of the people they questioned. I just can't believe that's standard law enforcement practice. and in this particular circumstance they should have known it could put those people in danger.
 
SnoopRob said:
It was first raised in the context that the shooter didn’t need highly specialized firearms training (such as military or law enforcement) to be able to make that shot, which is a valid point in discussing the parameters of who might be a potential shooter in this case.
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Ok.

On this point I disagree with what I'm reading. How many here think they could hit a human target from 700+ ft in a controlled environment such as a range?

The imagine the other variables associated.

Maybe it helps to figure out who might have done it, I'm not sure, but it is interesting how many think this was an easy shot all variables considered.
 
(older bio) of FBI Agent in charge:

Special Agent Robert Bohls is a Senior Executive within the FBI's Cyber Division. As the head of the National Cyber Investigative Joint Task Force, the 24/7 Cyber Watch Center (CyWatch), the Global Partnership Program, the Internet Crime Complaint Center (iC3), and the Threat Analytics Collaboration Unit, Special Agent Bohls plays a pivotal role in leading and coordinating efforts in the realm of cybersecurity and victim engagement. With a distinguished law enforcement career spanning 23 years, including 17 years in the FBI, Special Agent Bohls has been at the forefront of a diverse array of investigative programs. These programs have included Violent Gangs, Transnational Organized Crime, Violent Crime, and Insider Threat/Internal Security investigations. This breadth of experience has equipped him with a comprehensive understanding of various facets of law enforcement and national security. Prior to assuming his current leadership role in Cyber, Special Agent Bohls served as the Assistant Special Agent in Charge over Special Operations at the Washington DC Field Office. In this capacity, he led all crisis response, surveillance, and specialty teams, which included SWAT, Bomb Techs, WMD, and the Evidence Response Team.
 
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