The Charlie Kirk Thread

[SnoopRob]

Ok.

On this point I disagree with what I'm reading. How many here think they could hit a human target from 700+ ft in a controlled environment such as a range?

The imagine the other variables associated.

Maybe it helps to figure out who might have done it, I'm not sure, but it is interesting how many think this was an easy shot all variables considered.

We’re kinda repeating the conversation, but my take is that with a modern weapon, including a high-quality scope, that at ~200 yards it’s not a shot that a novice would likely make but also not one that requires specialized training, either. In the kind of environment where Kirk was shot - fairly open area with no major barriers between the shooter and the target, an elevated position from which to shoot, a target that is sitting in one spot and not making major movements - it’s a shot that someone with relatively normal but thorough experience (like hunting) would have a reasonable chance to make.

To be clear, I’m not saying your average Joe could hit such a shot the majority of the time. (I’ve some experience with guns and hunting, but I doubt I’d make such a shot.) But I also don’t think it’d take particularly specialized training to make that shot, either.

 

[altmin]

I have thought (but did not want to say out loud immediately after the seeing the shooting videos) that we are weirdly fortunate that this was a very targeted attack and not a mass shooting. There were a lot of people in a small area and obviously the shooter had a good line of site if he wanted to carry out a mass shooting event instead.

Which is not meant to diminish the assassination of Kirk standing on its own as a vile act. Just in the era of mass shootings this could have been even worse and as sad as I am for Kirk’s family (and for the negative impact on the social fabric of this nation), I’m glad it wasn’t a Vegas type of mass shooting.

I think bolt action rifle vs an AR-15 helped in that capacity. The Trump attempt had several other people hit and the one man killed because it was more of a spray and pray situation. This was a weapon for this job it seems.

 

[UNCatTech]

I'm not debating that larger point. I sure as heck couldn't hit anything from 400 feet. Again, I don't think anyone's point is to suggest that making this shot was "easy" or didn't require firearms training. Simply that it did not require some sort of professional organization to pull off.

I agree, but I've also read "Novice" multiple times.

I really don't see it as relevant other than to narrow subjects as Snoop mentioned.

I wasn't trying to by hyperbolic, I had read two football fields several times.

Also, as I mentioned, I've not read every post on this thread. It seems that maybe I missed the bigger point.

 

[nycfan]

I think bolt action rifle vs an AR-15 helped in that capacity. The Trump attempt had several other people hit and the one man killed because it was more of a spray and pray situation. This was a weapon for this job it seems.

Yeah, the rifle also suggests the intent of a specific target and not a mass murder event.

 

[dukeman92]

Incorrect.

I've never seen someone so loudly wrong about virtually everything.

 

[nrsair]

Considering anyone can walk into virtually any building on any public university or college campus during regular business hours, no, it’s highly unlikely he had or needed any help accessing the rooftop.

I got on all sorts of rooftops and tunnels I wasn’t supposed to be in at UNC very easily.

 

[ChileG]

The Right is making Charlie Kirk into a martyr. On my way to work this morning I saw 3 different businesses with their flags at half mast. Since I have been at work I have had 2 people tell me to my face you guys did this and you picked the wrong man to kill. This is getting scary.

wtf? Where do you live, if I may ask?

 

[doctor_octopus]

I got on all sorts of rooftops and tunnels I wasn’t supposed to be in at UNC very easily.

Agreed. Used to sit on top of Old East at night.

 

[altmin]

I've read 2 football fields several times. Either way, I would be willing to bet money that most of the people talking about this couldn't hit a target from 400 ft. Especially with the additional variables in this situation.

Distances to various points on the roof. (not counting height - I don't have that info and I really don't feel like googling that right now and be seen as a copycat)

 

[OGtruthhurts]

it wasnt 200 yds geez

 

[SnoopRob]

Not necessarily a super operative, just someone who generally knows what they’re doing. Being current or former military/law enforcement/hunter, doesn’t mean it’s Chris Kyle or Bryan Mills (Liam Neeson from Taken). It just means it’s somebody more put together than the whack jobs that normally do these things.

Or someone who knew the area, put together a decent plan, and got a bit lucky.

I think we often underestimate the amount of panic and chaos that happen in these kinds of events and overstate the skill of law enforcement to react immediately after such an event to identify & capture the shooter, particularly if local LEOs are the highest level law enforcement folks on the scene.

When we look at the 2 men who tried to assassinate Trump last year, neither were particularly skilled or even stable folks and both got fairly close to pulling it off, especially Thomas Crooks, despite the fact the Secret Service was involved in setting up & carrying out security in both cases. When threats can come from a thousand places and with modern weapons, folks wanting to carry out such shootings always have a decent chance of success.

 

[Tar1978Heel]

The Right is making Charlie Kirk into a martyr. On my way to work this morning I saw 3 different businesses with their flags at half mast. Since I have been at work I have had 2 people tell me to my face you guys did this and you picked the wrong man to kill. This is getting scary.

It’s 9/11 man calm down…Stop being so scary…

 

[whatntarnation]

Half the good ole boys who live in my rural NC county could make this shot in their sleep. Anyone raised deer hunting could do it.

 

[superrific]

The right way to talk about Kirk, in my view, is this:

He lived the life he wanted and had the death he wanted. He was killed because of our awesome Second Amendment, which is worth way more than a few thousand lives every year. He said so himself. He wouldn't want us to grieve for him or his family, because empathy is a toxic emotion invented by the left. He had plenty of money for security, and indeed had six private security guards with him.

Why would the right be outraged by this? He lived his dream.

 

[theel4life]

wtf? Where do you live, if I may ask?

Randolph county

 

[UNCBAdookJD]

Do you think he had assistance from someone at the University? I assume he would need access to the building to access the roof.

It’s possible. He also just may have been someone with access such as a student or university employee. Could also just be really lax security with a very public event going on. When I was at UNC I attended a similar event with Anne Coulter, and nothing would have prevented this from happening there had someone been motivated to do so.

 

[altmin]

Or someone who knew the area, put together a decent plan, and got a bit lucky.

I think we often underestimate the amount of panic and chaos that happen in these kinds of events and overstate the skill of law enforcement to react immediately after such an event to identify & capture the shooter, particularly if local LEOs are the highest level law enforcement folks on the scene.

When we look at the 2 men who tried to assassinate Trump last year, neither were particularly skilled or even stable folks and both got fairly close to pulling it off, especially Thomas Crooks, despite the fact the Secret Service was involved in setting up & carrying out security in both cases. When threats can come from a thousand places and with modern weapons, folks wanting to carry out such shootings always have a decent chance of success.

There were 6 police present and Kirk's private security. I doubt kirk or the local police or any of these people have the resources to secure all the buildings they would need to. Looking on Google maps there are at least 6 rooftops that would have to be patrolled to prevent this. You can either spend a small fortune every time some speaking event like this takes place, or you move inside, or you take the risk that comes with the things you say.

At this point if you want to be a hate monger, I suggest don't do it outdoors, because I doubt there will be gun control measures in place to help you out.

 

[Ramrouser]

For many young folks on the Right, 9/10 will be their 9/11.

I think many of you here (understandably since Kirk wasn't in your social media feed) grossly underestimate the power, influence and reach of Charlie Kirk. He mobilized the youth on college campuses and on social media and I would argue, played a huge role in Trump winning the under 30 vote (particularly among young men). Kirk wasn't a right wing provocateur; instead, he was famous for showing up on campuses with a smile and politely engaging with liberals in a friendly manner. Kirk also played a role in the return of young men to church which has been quantified. There was/is no one equivalent on the Left.

Kirk will be hard/impossible to replace.

 

[JCTarheel82]

Randolph county

Yikes.

 

[theel4life]

It’s 9/11 man calm down…Stop being so scary…

Yeah I said that is probably it.