The numerous immigrants who have either died in ICE custody, were killed during their "apprehension" or that have died in an El Salvadoran prison without a trial or hearing.
The Charlie Kirk Thread
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superrific
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I'm not saying we should condone it. Arrest the person who shot him and throw the book at him. But we don't have to act as if it's a terrible thing that a terrible man was killed by his own terrible ideology.
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By the way, @Ramrouser, when Nancy Pelosi's husband Paul was beaten within an inch of his life by a crazy right-wing guy who was looking for Nancy Pelosi, this is how Charlie Kirk reacted: by claiming that any connection between the attack and right-wing rhetoric was absurd and saying that a "Patriot" should bail the attacker out.
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Yeah, this is the saintly "non-provocateur" you were describing.
Charlie Kirk Says a 'Patriot' Should Bail Out Alleged Paul Pelosi Attacker
Charlie Kirk wants a "patriot" to bail the man who allegedly beat Paul Pelosi with a hammer out of jail.
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Yeah, this is the saintly "non-provocateur" you were describing.
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Uhhhhhhh…..yeah? Maybe perhaps to protect themselves from- and stay with us here!- any armed psychopaths who may want to kill them?
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What I find interesting (and not unexpected) about the coverage of this incident is that articles do not mention why he was such a controversial figure
The same outlets never miss to slip in a couple of irrelevant character flaws when describing victims who are deemed unworthy of respect
The same outlets never miss to slip in a couple of irrelevant character flaws when describing victims who are deemed unworthy of respect
Well yeah because guns are everywhere in this country. Just because I’m pro gun control doesn’t mean that I live in a bubble where there are no guns.
I was simply pointing out the irony of someone who speaks out in support of zero gun restrictions feeling the need to wear a vest because guns are everywhere. He doesn’t feel safe in public because we allow anyone who wants a gun the ability to have one yet he still argued for that
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UNCBAdookJD
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Because gun control is necessary and has not yet been implemented. They’d rather live in a world that was safe enough that armed security isn’t necessary.
4thgenheel
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democrat politicians are attempting to protect themselves from something that they know is a problem and must be reformed.
charlie kirk was for some odd reason attempting to protect himself from something that he thought wasn't a problem and was actually great.
surely you understand the difference?
probably not, lmao.
Me as well, only somewhat knew of him. This type took off with the advent of the internet and social media. That's because, all they have to do is find a niche, to be successful. And to do that, they often specialize in spin, misinformation, and outright lies. I suppose everyone is selling something, so they found their niche in this space.
But the sad thing on this guy, is that he specialized in the young college crowd. Wow, you would think they would be sophisticated enough to see thru it. It seems, many of them are not.
I honestly think the next leader of the Democratic party should challenge Americans everyday to look at the lies these folks promote. Perhaps put a website up where people can comment on every lie they catch from these people. With proof, of course. I wouldn't think the other side could counter with much.
MOUNTAINH33L
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What if it was an inside job by a MAGA/FBI/Trump-hired assassin to divert people's attention from Epstein, ICE, occupations of American cities, Israel, Russia, inflation, unemployment, an ever-shittier economy, a corrupt Supreme Court, etc., etc., etc.? Remember, Fred Trump raised his kids to be "killers".
Just sayin'. Just askin' questions. Just doin' my own research.
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hahahaha buddy, no. No. No. You made a statement of opinion. Your opinion. Not a statement of fact. It is most certainly not a fact that the death of a conservative podcast is going to reverberate in the same manner as a horrific terrorist attack on the United States. You may think that it will, you may even hope that it will. It is still just your opinion – an an absolutely insane one at that, but certainly your right and prerogative to hold it!
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JB Pritzker is 100% spot on.Never miss an opportunity to blame Trump for something...
JB Pritzker condemns political violence after Charlie Kirk's death, says Trump's rhetoric 'often foments it'
Illinois Gov JB Pritzker argued Trump 'often foments' political violence through his rhetoric and Jan 6 pardons
JB Pritzker condemns political violence after Charlie Kirk's death, says Trump's rhetoric 'often foments it'
Illinois Gov. JB Pritzker condemned the assassination of Charlie Kirk while criticizing President Donald Trump's rhetoric for "fomenting" political violence.www.foxnews.com
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When Democrats went overboard turning the funeral of Senator Paul Wellstone into something of a political rally, then Governor Jesse Ventura walked out in disgust and it turned a lot of middle-of-the-road folks against the party going into that election.
Trump using any speaking event, even the usually hyper-solemn 9/11 memorials, for political rhetoric generally was a given. It is who he is and he seems to have lost what filter he once had. Trump and Hegseth using 9/11 memorials to advance political martyrdom of Kirk was probably unstoppable given the timing — it is one thing to praise a friend and ask for silent prayer for his family, it would be another to try to make the 9/11 memorials about partisan politics. If they do the latter, it might excite the Libs of TikTok but could be very counterproductive with a lot of more moderate and not very politically engaged Americans (let’s face it, politically focused liberals are going to be appalled by anything political that Trump and Hegseth do at this point, particularly in this kind of setting).
I guess it will be a bit of a political Rorschach test in some respects and a measure of how normalized Trump’s crass political behavior has become.
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I don’t know what the layout of this building is but I’ve done a lot of work at N.C. State and a little at UNC. Contractors have to check out keys and the roof key was a step above, we used to have to sign something about proper safety techniques I think (it’s been 10 -15 years since I checked them out). My point is roof access is usually restricted for safety etc.
Gunman could have picked a lot, forced access somehow or had inside access to keys but the roof is usually restricted in some way.
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Great insight. Really interesting. Thank you for sharing it.
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Well, Kirk blamed the political rhetoric of Trump's opponents for Melissa Hortman getting shot, so I guess things have just come full circle.Never miss an opportunity to blame Trump for something...
JB Pritzker condemns political violence after Charlie Kirk's death, says Trump's rhetoric 'often foments it'
Illinois Gov JB Pritzker argued Trump 'often foments' political violence through his rhetoric and Jan 6 pardons
JB Pritzker condemns political violence after Charlie Kirk's death, says Trump's rhetoric 'often foments it'
Illinois Gov. JB Pritzker condemned the assassination of Charlie Kirk while criticizing President Donald Trump's rhetoric for "fomenting" political violence.
Maybe he was a "cute" guy. Women have become more baffling to me after their collective reaction to Dobbs in the 2024 election.
Ladies of the board, care to comment?
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mynameisbond
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We still don't know the motive, the killer's background, or much of anything else. All we know is that it was an unjustified homicide.
It's easy to point fingers. MAGA is blaming Dems without cause. Dems are deflecting onto other issues. There's a lesson in this. Both sides could benefit from toning down the rhetoric.