The Charlie Kirk Thread

And yet democrat politicians that demand gun control walk around with a armed detail all the time…
democrat politicians are attempting to protect themselves from something that they know is a problem and must be reformed.

charlie kirk was for some odd reason attempting to protect himself from something that he thought wasn't a problem and was actually great.

surely you understand the difference?

probably not, lmao.
 
I had heard of this guy only recently from podcast references. This morning I'm viewing reels of stuff he has said, his strongly professed beliefs, his slanted version of history, et al. Good fucking riddance to you Charlie.
Me as well, only somewhat knew of him. This type took off with the advent of the internet and social media. That's because, all they have to do is find a niche, to be successful. And to do that, they often specialize in spin, misinformation, and outright lies. I suppose everyone is selling something, so they found their niche in this space.

But the sad thing on this guy, is that he specialized in the young college crowd. Wow, you would think they would be sophisticated enough to see thru it. It seems, many of them are not.

I honestly think the next leader of the Democratic party should challenge Americans everyday to look at the lies these folks promote. Perhaps put a website up where people can comment on every lie they catch from these people. With proof, of course. I wouldn't think the other side could counter with much.
 
What on earth is the right wing going to do if it turns out that the shooter was motivated not by leftist ideology but rather by an even more extreme far right ideology than the one Kirk espoused? Obviously, either way, it’s horrific and abhorrent. I just mean that the entire right wing media ecosystem has already gone all in on declaring war on the entire liberal apparatus in this country, what is going to happen if it turns out that the shooter doesn’t have the ideological motivations that they’ve already decided he has without him even having been caught yet?
What if it was an inside job by a MAGA/FBI/Trump-hired assassin to divert people's attention from Epstein, ICE, occupations of American cities, Israel, Russia, inflation, unemployment, an ever-shittier economy, a corrupt Supreme Court, etc., etc., etc.? Remember, Fred Trump raised his kids to be "killers".

Just sayin'. Just askin' questions. Just doin' my own research.
 
I simply made a statement of fact. I'm not saying 9/10 compares to 9/11 but I am saying it's very impactful to conservative Gen Zers. Many on this board are now just discovering the power and influence of Kirk for the under 30 crowd. Gen Z have no personal reference or connection to 9/11 (unless their family was directly impacted) so it might as well be Pearl Harbor or Lincoln's assassination.
hahahaha buddy, no. No. No. You made a statement of opinion. Your opinion. Not a statement of fact. It is most certainly not a fact that the death of a conservative podcast is going to reverberate in the same manner as a horrific terrorist attack on the United States. You may think that it will, you may even hope that it will. It is still just your opinion – an an absolutely insane one at that, but certainly your right and prerogative to hold it!
 
Never miss an opportunity to blame Trump for something...

JB Pritzker condemns political violence after Charlie Kirk's death, says Trump's rhetoric 'often foments it'​


Illinois Gov JB Pritzker argued Trump 'often foments' political violence through his rhetoric and Jan 6 pardons

JB Pritzker is 100% spot on.
 
What did anyone expect? The fucking idiot is going to act like a fucking idiot no matter where he’s at.
When Democrats went overboard turning the funeral of Senator Paul Wellstone into something of a political rally, then Governor Jesse Ventura walked out in disgust and it turned a lot of middle-of-the-road folks against the party going into that election.

Trump using any speaking event, even the usually hyper-solemn 9/11 memorials, for political rhetoric generally was a given. It is who he is and he seems to have lost what filter he once had. Trump and Hegseth using 9/11 memorials to advance political martyrdom of Kirk was probably unstoppable given the timing — it is one thing to praise a friend and ask for silent prayer for his family, it would be another to try to make the 9/11 memorials about partisan politics. If they do the latter, it might excite the Libs of TikTok but could be very counterproductive with a lot of more moderate and not very politically engaged Americans (let’s face it, politically focused liberals are going to be appalled by anything political that Trump and Hegseth do at this point, particularly in this kind of setting).

I guess it will be a bit of a political Rorschach test in some respects and a measure of how normalized Trump’s crass political behavior has become.
 
Considering anyone can walk into virtually any building on any public university or college campus during regular business hours, no, it’s highly unlikely he had or needed any help accessing the rooftop.
I don’t know what the layout of this building is but I’ve done a lot of work at N.C. State and a little at UNC. Contractors have to check out keys and the roof key was a step above, we used to have to sign something about proper safety techniques I think (it’s been 10 -15 years since I checked them out). My point is roof access is usually restricted for safety etc.
Gunman could have picked a lot, forced access somehow or had inside access to keys but the roof is usually restricted in some way.
 
I don’t know what the layout of this building is but I’ve done a lot of work at N.C. State and a little at UNC. Contractors have to check out keys and the roof key was a step above, we used to have to sign something about proper safety techniques I think (it’s been 10 -15 years since I checked them out). My point is roof access is usually restricted for safety etc.
Gunman could have picked a lot, forced access somehow or had inside access to keys but the roof is usually restricted in some way.
Great insight. Really interesting. Thank you for sharing it.
 
Never miss an opportunity to blame Trump for something...

JB Pritzker condemns political violence after Charlie Kirk's death, says Trump's rhetoric 'often foments it'​


Illinois Gov JB Pritzker argued Trump 'often foments' political violence through his rhetoric and Jan 6 pardons

Well, Kirk blamed the political rhetoric of Trump's opponents for Melissa Hortman getting shot, so I guess things have just come full circle.
 
Yeah the women, especially young women, coming out of the woodwork is surprising to me. Kirk was very much anti women’s rights and spoke openly about it all the time. Recently he said if his daughter was raped that she would still have to have the baby and also said that Taylor swift should submit to her new husband.

Kirk stands for white men and white men only so to see so many young women coming out as supporters is bizarre to me
Maybe he was a "cute" guy. Women have become more baffling to me after their collective reaction to Dobbs in the 2024 election.

Ladies of the board, care to comment?
 
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I'm not saying we should condone it. Arrest the person who shot him and throw the book at him. But we don't have to act as if it's a terrible thing that a terrible man was killed by his own terrible ideology.
We still don't know the motive, the killer's background, or much of anything else. All we know is that it was an unjustified homicide.
It's easy to point fingers. MAGA is blaming Dems without cause. Dems are deflecting onto other issues. There's a lesson in this. Both sides could benefit from toning down the rhetoric.
 
I grow weary of the hand-wringing on the left. Everyone who claims to be nauseated about Kirk's death -- are you serious? He's a dead terrorist. He was one of the people most responsible for GOP's embrace of hate politics. For him to be killed by hate politics -- if that's what happened -- just means he lived to see the fruit of his labors. It's true that political violence is terrible. But Kirk was an advocate for political violence. He was a net negative for society. He was a man of limited ability who managed to climb to preposterous heights simply by peddling hate, fear, and violence with little sophistication, giving it to his fans raw and unadulterated.

Stop saying, I hate it that he was killed. He was killed by his own hand. I don't care.

Escalate Out Of Control GIF

It's a good thing there's no dangerous rhetoric on the Left, right @4thgenheel
 
You have every right to your own feelings on the subject but so do those of us who genuinely hate that he was killed.
Sure. Just know that "we need to take down the temperature" is not going to get any results, just like it hasn't gotten any results the last million times it's been tried.

The right instinctively wants to be victims and search for martyrs. Don't give that to them. Kirk wasn't a victim. He was killed by things he thinks are good.
 
Ban this pos
If he's saying he wants Conway and Wallace assassinated like kirk, then yes, he should be gone. If he's saying that he wants Conway and Wallace fired like Dowd, let him stay. I disagree with him 99.5% of the time, but I think he provides an important voice here.
 
Well, Kirk blamed the political rhetoric of Trump's opponents for Melissa Hortman getting shot, so I guess things have just come full circle.
Also, if you read the full comments, Pritzker said it isn’t just Trump’s rhetoric that foments violence. But Trump is president and he 100% fomented Jan 6 so of course he gets called out by name, as he should.
 
Both sides could benefit from toning down the rhetoric.
But that just isn't true. The right has nothing except turning up the volume. What would it even look like for the right to "tone down the rhetoric"? That would put 95% of the most popular right-wing media figures out of business. And they have to keep up the constant victimization narratives because otherwise people will start looking at the results of what the right-wing has been doing.

The right wing will never tone down.
 
Let’s not give “Never Trumpers” too much credit.

They helped bring us the Iraq War. They helped put Clarence Thomas, Antonin Scalia, John Roberts, and Samuel Alito on the Supreme Court. They helped Mitch McConnell stop Merrick Garland’s nomination to the Supreme Court.

They helped push through the Bush AND Trump tax laws.

Opposing Trump is a LOW BAR. It’s sub-basement level on being a good person. One shouldn’t look for applause for being “Never Trump.”

I’m glad they’re anti-Trump.

Let’s not forget that they’re Reagan Republicans. Right-wing Republicans.

If we have an “After Trump,” they’ll help elect right-wing Republicans.
 
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