The Charlie Kirk Thread

Ramrouser said:
For many young folks on the Right, 9/10 will be their 9/11.

I think many of you here (understandably since Kirk wasn't in your social media feed) grossly underestimate the power, influence and reach of Charlie Kirk. He mobilized the youth on college campuses and on social media and I would argue, played a huge role in Trump winning the under 30 vote (particularly among young men). Kirk wasn't a right wing provocateur; instead, he was famous for showing up on campuses with a smile and politely engaging with liberals in a friendly manner. Kirk also played a role in the return of young men to church which has been quantified. There was/is no one equivalent on the Left.

Kirk will be hard/impossible to replace.
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Expect to be asked to provide attribution for statements like, "Kirk also played a role in the return of young men to church which has been quantified."

I will not let such things go. I am also not accusing you of anything save not providing proof. Perhaps you are in a hurry. But expect me to ask.
 
Ramrouser said:
For many young folks on the Right, 9/10 will be their 9/11.

I think many of you here (understandably since Kirk wasn't in your social media feed) grossly underestimate the power, influence and reach of Charlie Kirk. He mobilized the youth on college campuses and on social media and I would argue, played a huge role in Trump winning the under 30 vote (particularly among young men). Kirk wasn't a right wing provocateur; instead, he was famous for showing up on campuses with a smile and politely engaging with liberals in a friendly manner. Kirk also played a role in the return of young men to church which has been quantified. There was/is no one equivalent on the Left.

Kirk will be hard/impossible to replace.
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lol, my God you are pathetic.
 
ZenMode said:
Don't trust WSJ to verify information before going public?
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It is owned by Rupert Murdoch. And Trump sure didn’t trust their reporting. That said, it wouldn’t be surprising if it was a trans activist considering he’s called trans people “an abomination to God”, blamed trans people for things as attenuated as inflation, and called for stripping them of all sorts of basic human rights.
 
superrific said:
I grow weary of the hand-wringing on the left. Everyone who claims to be nauseated about Kirk's death -- are you serious? He's like a dead terrorist. He was at war with liberal democracy, so liberal democracy shouldn't give a fuck about his death. He was one of the people most responsible for GOP's embrace of hate politics. For him to be killed by hate politics -- if that's what happened -- just means he lived to see the fruit of his labors. It's true that political violence is terrible. But Kirk was an advocate for political violence. He was a net negative for society. He was a man of limited ability who managed to climb to preposterous heights simply by peddling hate, fear, and violence with little sophistication, giving it to his fans raw and unadulterated.

Stop saying, I hate it that he was killed. He was killed by his own hand. I don't care.
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Last night I asked my 12 year old son if he was familiar with Kirk, he knew who he was. This is a pre-teen who's life revolves around sports and video games, he (and his friends) had already been exposed to Kirk's poisonous rhetoric.

I won't condone violence but I also won't pretend I'm not happy that my son and his friends won't be exposed to this mans warped ideology.
 
I have no idea who the shooter is but are you really surprised if this turns out to be someone with left wing ideology? What are the other options? Someone who Kirk wronged on an individual basis? Right wing conspiracy led by Trump?

I’m as left as they come, but are we surprised by any of this. The right keeps pushing things closer and closer to the kingship of Donald Trump all while throwing their hands up saying they are doing nothing , while blaming the left for what they are doing. It’s ludicrous.

But when is political violence ok? At what point has the right gone too far? If they announce Trump king, announce Christianity as she state religion, do away with separation of church and state, imprisonment of political rivals? Murder if rivals and illegals?
At some point there will be physical opposition of that’s the agenda right? For the shooter we had reached that point already.

Note I’m not condoning violence. But I’m horrified and curious at the same time. If we are indeed sliding down the slippery slope towards something like Nazi Germany when is the time for physicall opposition?
 
UNCBAdookJD said:
It is owned by Rupert Murdoch. And Trump sure didn’t trust their reporting. That said, it wouldn’t be surprising if it was a trans activist considering he’s called trans people “an abomination to God”, blamed trans people for things as attenuated as inflation, and called for stripping them of all sorts of basic human rights.
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And was indeed blaming trans people for mass shootings as the trigger was pulled. Up until his last moment, nothing but hate.
 
CHAMTRAIN said:
Last night I asked my 12 year old son if he was familiar with Kirk, he knew who he was. This is a pre-teen who's life revolves around sports and video games, he (and his friends) had already been exposed to Kirk's poisonous rhetoric.

I won't condone violence but I also won't pretend I'm not happy that my son and his friends won't be exposed to this mans warped ideology.
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Kirk had been the most successful, but trust that there are endless others who will bring the same message to their screens.
 
Ramrouser said:
For many young folks on the Right, 9/10 will be their 9/11.

I think many of you here (understandably since Kirk wasn't in your social media feed) grossly underestimate the power, influence and reach of Charlie Kirk. He mobilized the youth on college campuses and on social media and I would argue, played a huge role in Trump winning the under 30 vote (particularly among young men). Kirk wasn't a right wing provocateur; instead, he was famous for showing up on campuses with a smile and politely engaging with liberals in a friendly manner. Kirk also played a role in the return of young men to church which has been quantified. There was/is no one equivalent on the Left.

Kirk will be hard/impossible to replace.
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I don’t know about that but he will be there George Floyd or Malcom X…
 
HandsonFire said:
I have no idea who the shooter is but are you really surprised if this turns out to be someone with left wing ideology? What are the other options? Someone who Kirk wronged on an individual basis? Right wing conspiracy led by Trump?

I’m as left as they come, but are we surprised by any of this. The right keeps pushing things closer and closer to the kingship of Donald Trump all while throwing their hands up saying they are doing nothing , while blaming the left for what they are doing. It’s ludicrous.
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I would be absolutely shocked if it wasn't someone with a left wing ideology and I think most Democrats, if they're being honest, would also be shocked.
HandsonFire said:
Note I’m not condoning violence. But I’m horrified and curious at the same time. If we are indeed sliding down the slippery slope towards something like Nazi Germany when is the time for physicall opposition?
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The problem is that too many people take seriously the assertion that we are on a slippery slope toward something like Nazi Germany and feel like they need to take action.
 
Ramrouser said:
The shooter may or may not have been a “novice” but it was a planned, organized hit. He likely had assistance given his escape.
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I think the simpler explanation is that it was on a college campus with probably 30,000 people at that time and university police rarely deal with anything more serious than felony or sexual assault and the parties are often known to each other. Lots of opportunities to blend in and get off campus.
 
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