The Charlie Kirk Thread

Callatoroy said:
Apparently not to a majority of those who voted.
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That's a really sad commentary.

I've read so many post these last few days stating that we are different because there were riots and protest after the Floyd murder but only prayers after the Kirk murder. It takes some real cognitive dissonance to make that statement considering Jan 6th and the threats/promises of civil war because of the Kirk murder.

Interesting how on Jan 7th basically everyone was unhappy with what happened, it took a concerted effort and a 4 year campaign to change the narrative.
 
rodoheel said:
Completely agree. This - not “woke” - is the real story about the brewing/already here crisis with young men. Their brains seem so much more vulnerable to this toxic blend of crypto, sports betting, porn, rage bait, political nihilism, etc. Unless people wake up and start working together to change these online spaces and how we interact with them, we are literally going to continue poisoning peoples brains until we start to lose the ability to have healthy interactions with each other.
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IMO this is the most underdiscussed threat to the future of society. We're talking about significant proportions of Gen Z and Gen A who have no ability to function in society and whose social existence is exclusively online.
 
donbosco said:
That needs a great deal more attribution and explanation. Why are they getting this kind of quotations from the governor rather than the investigators? Who is the "us" that Governor Cox references? Why can't those investigators speak for themselves? How is "leftist ideology" actually defined in Utah...by a GOP Governor?
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I thought it was very strange that the governor was the primary speaker at all of those press conferences. Typically a governor (or mayor, or President, or whatever senior executive is present) will offer their concerns and condolences and turn the podium over to the police chief (or fire chief, or FBI AIC, or FEMA official, etc) to discuss details and progress of an investigation.

I felt the governor being the primary spokesperson from the first press conference indicated an immediate political weaponization of this event from the get-go. That feeling was reinforced by the governor’s “analysis” of selected bits of alleged evidence. I was shocked when some people were saying how Utah’s governor acquitted himself well during this “crisis” simply because he wasn’t as crass as Donald Trump, while being every bit as partisan as Trump.
 
nycfan said:
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Trump "hopes" he gets the death penalty ? Why doesn't he just issue an executive order to have him executed ?

It would save us a lot of time going through a trial and if found guilty having to tolerate spending years of appeals before he is put on death row delaying the country opportunity to get its pound of flesh... and even after 10 years before execution day by the state, there is always the chance there will be a woke governor who will commute his sentence to a life sentence.

If he is half the man I think he is ( and I do think he is half a man ), he will issue the execution and tell the nation he will be a one macho man firing squad and use the big beautiful second amendment protected AK-47 to get the job done.
 
Callatoroy said:
I agree over the last 2 days. In fact, it has affected me to the point that I had to ask myself what the fuck am I doing getting caught up in it. I have been disgusted with most politicians on the right who have made public comments. I told my son today that if by some chance Nancy Mace is the pub nominee for governor I will have to vote for the D candidate. But I completely disagree with you that it has been that way for a while. There has been plenty to go around from the left



Biden - "We're done talking about the debate. It's time to put Trump in a bullseye"

Pelosi, Harris, Biden, Schumer - "Trump is a threat to democracy"

"Today’s political and rhetorical landscape is intensely polarized and fueled by anger, distrust and conspiracy theories. It’s easier to target your political opponents for violence if you see them as “enemies of the nation,” Boyle said." So calling republicans nazis, fascists, etc. is doing just that. How long has the left been using those terms? Since trump 1.0.

My point isn't in keeping score. Its that these past 2 days have been a wake up call for me in that the republican party and democratic party, with the assistance of social media influencers and bots have been taken over by the propensity to use violent rhetoric and the only way to stop it is by a collective effort from the everyday man/woman to reject it in social media and hold politicians accountable. I'm not hopeful.
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You listen to Trump non stop and you just realized violence is his theme?

Yeah I'm calling you obtuse, Warden
 
CharmCityTiger said:
IMO this is the most underdiscussed threat to the future of society. We're talking about significant proportions of Gen Z and Gen A who have no ability to function in society and whose social existence is exclusively online.
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This reminded me of an article about a podcast I read recently (I can’t find it not behind a paywall)

For years, experts and parents alike have debated how to get children off their devices. Limiting screen time, blocking apps and setting stricter household rules are common strategies. But what if the problem isn’t the technology itself but the loss of freedom to simply be a kid?

Hosts Richard Kyte and Scott Rada look at a revealing report from The Atlantic that asked children directly how they would spend less time online. The most common response was not more rules or stricter discipline — it was more unstructured play with friends, free from constant supervision.

The answers highlight a cultural shift. Over the past several decades, the independence once common for children — riding bikes across town, walking to the corner store or wandering through a local park — has steadily disappeared. Parents often cite safety concerns, and social norms reinforce the idea that letting kids roam is risky. Yet statistics show that many communities are actually safer today than in past generations.

The episode raises an uncomfortable possibility: children are not “addicted” to screens so much as they are starved for spaces where they can make choices and explore without adults hovering nearby. Smartphones, for all their flaws, offer at least the perception of autonomy. They allow young people to connect, interact and discover on their own terms — even if those experiences are shaped by algorithms.
 
1moretimeagain said:
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Did it not occur to these people that the killer’s father was trying to save his son’s life, at least to give him time to recover / repent?

In any event, the notion that the dad should have covered up his own son’s involvement and deliberately dispatched his own son rather than convince him to not commit suicide and turn himself in (which is what the dad did according to reports) is so deeply misguided on so many levels it is hard to know where to begin.
 
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