The Charlie Kirk Thread

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"In fact, a person on the left might argue, the data is clear — over the last decade, right-wing extremists have killed far more people than left-wing extremists."

But hey MAGA, never let the truth get in the way of a good story.

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Opinion | There Are Monsters in Your Midst, Too

No matter the direction of the tragedy, the end result is the same — the right grows angrier at the left, and the left grows angrier at the right.
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And really Grunts vs Elites didn't happen till most of the way through Halo 2, when the Arbiter saw through the brainwashing of the prophets and joined forces with humanity to stop the firing of Delta Halo and the eradication of all life in the galaxy. After which the Covenant split into factions and the Jiralhanae overthrew the Sangheli - the so called elites Geraldo is harping on about - as the lead race under the prophets (the San'Shyuum). The Ungoy (the Grunts) were essentially a slave race and were bred for cannon fodder and workers. They really didn't rise up against the elites. I mean those still commanded by the Jiralhanae (and Sangheli still loyal to the prophets) obviously fought the so-called elites during the Great Schism (as well as the many splintered factions following the fall of the prophets), but it was more as continuation of the same order of their lives. You hatched from a clutch of eggs in a methane filled incubation chamber and lived a life of toil, generally following the orders of the people who run the ship you were born on. I mean there were Ungoy uprisings in the ancient past, but that is not covered in the Halo video games, nor is there a great uprising by them against the Sangheli. I mean they weren't even a conquered species, they were given a lifeline off a dying planet and in the process lost their freedom. It was a voluntary move on their part, though it didn't work out so well for them.

I really don't get what Geraldo is talking about. I think he skipped the cut scenes.
 
1moretimeagain said:
Nancy Mace would have given us video of the full production starting with her trip to Sherwin Williams to buy the paint and roller brush, but still a good effort from Ted.

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Even when he tries to look tough Ted comes across as a hopeless, nerdy weirdo. I doubt he'll ever escape the hilariously accurate "Bad Lip Reading" video from his failed 2016 presidential campaign.
 
ole howard1 said:
For me, it’s not that voters weren’t moved by Harris and other Dems calling Trump authoritarian. It’s that Republican voters — and many swing voters — didn’t care that so many CONSERVATIVES said Trump was a danger to our democracy.

Liz and Dick Cheney. I get that lots of folks, including Republicans disillusioned with the establishment, are not will about Dick Cheney. But good grief — hardcore conservative, tough politician. The same folks who voted for him and George W. Bush twice just didn’t care.

Conservative political scholar Michael Luttig said Trump was a threat.

John Kelly.

Adam Kinzinger.

Former Tea Party Congressman Joe Walsh.

Trump didn’t get an endorsement from George W. Bush.

That’s what should have convinced enough swing voters and reasonable Republicans to reject Trump. I mean, right?
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I think the biggest issue is that conservative media paints a false reality that affects so many people, including many who don't consume it.

Going into the election, conservative media had its followers believing that the economy and inflation were in dire shape even though the opposite was true. America far outpaced the rest of the world in our Covid recovery.

They also have the ability to get people frothing at the mouth over non-issues. Transexualism is a great example of that. The amount of trans athletes playing women's sports is barely a data point, but if you ask nearly any conservative media consumer, it is rampant. Hell, one of this forum's posters practically roots for each mass shooter to be trans.

Reagan repealing the fairness doctrine is a big factor why Trump is our president.
 
ZenMode said:
It is sad that we shouldn't expect any honest acknowledgement of the role of Dems in our current political violence situation, despite the fact that much of the fear-mongering is coming from Dems and much of the violence is perpitrated by Dems.
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Violence against people? The right kills five times as many people as the left when it comes to political violence. It’s sad that that isn’t being acknowledged. When it gets painted as a problem equal on both sides, then the main perpetrators don’t get held responsible.
As an example, just look at how the guy at MSNBC (iirc) got immediately canned for saying something merely insensitive, while the guys on Fox News literally call for war and violence and nothing happens to them.
 
ChileG said:
Violence against people? The right kills five times as many people as the left when it comes to political violence. It’s sad that that isn’t being acknowledged. When it gets painted as a problem equal on both sides, then the main perpetrators don’t get held responsible.
As an example, just look at how the guy at MSNBC (iirc) got immediately canned for saying something merely insensitive, while the guys on Fox News literally call for war and violence and nothing happens to them.
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Yep, the media double standard that now exists for conservatives and liberals is ridiculous. Matt Dowd says something that offends Trumpers and he's quickly fired by MSNBC, yet conservatives led by Laura Loomer and Libs of Tik Tok have been patrolling the net looking for anybody who's said anything they find offensive about Charlie Kirk and then pressuring their employers to fire them. Hell, Dear Leader and South Carolina GOP politicians have joined the effort to fire tenured professors at Clemson and revoke tenure at universities because some of them posted things about Kirk they didn't like - and tenure was designed to protect professors from being fired for political reasons just like this.

But conservative commentators have also said offensive things about liberals since Kirk's death, including threats of violence (Laura Loomer and others), yet to date not a single one of them has been fired or even punished or disciplined. And social media is rife with attacks blaming liberals for Kirk's death, but to date no conservatives have been fired, nor have liberals been organizing to do so. Brian Kilmeade of Fox & Friends said just a couple of days ago that homeless people should be euthanized. He apologized, but unlike Dowd he wasn't even reprimanded by Fox, much less fired. At this point you'd have to be blind not to see that liberals and conservatives are being held to totally different standards when it comes to public statements and social media posts.
 
Centerpiece said:
I thought the shell casings were etched with some antifa stuff... "Ciao this and that" from the WWII antifas in Italy
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Multiple choice test: The terminally online gun nut kid that killed Charlie Kirk inscribed "Ciao bella bella" on a bullet because:

A) He was a history buff, specializing in century old obscure Italian anti fascist songs of which NONE of us were aware existed last week, or,
B) Because he ran across it on a Spotify playlist titled "Groyper War (America First 🇺🇸)".

I'm accepting good faith answers only.
 
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