The Charlie Kirk Thread

ZenMode said:
I think all of the rhetoric and hyperbole (government, media, social media) all sounds very similar and, as a whole, contributes to the violence.

That has been my entire point about the Left/Dems.
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What is that belief based on? The people who shot Trump and Kirk were likely not watching CNN or listening to Kamala speak.
 
ZenMode said:
Something similar was probably posted, but WTF??

JD Vance Instructs Americans to Tell on Bosses of People ‘Celebrating’ Murder of Charlie Kirk: ‘Call Their Employer’

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JD Vance Urges Americans to Call the Employer of Anyone 'Celebrating' Charlie Kirk Killing

Vice President JD Vance passionately urged Americans to call the employers of the "terrorist sympathizers" who are celebrating Charlie Kirk's murder
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You're not seriously surprised by this, are you? This has been the right's MO for years now. Thy started doing this basically the second Kirk was shot. This is "LibsofTikTok" writ large.
 
rodoheel said:
What is that belief based on? The people who shot Trump and Kirk were likely not watching CNN or listening to Kamala speak.
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You're taking my posts literally.

I'm saying that the "whole" of rhetoric/hyperbole is increasing the political temperature and is causing a lot of problems, including assassinations and assassination attempts. I'm not blaming anyone person, outlet, etc for the assassination attempt.
 
ZenMode said:
Something similar was probably posted, but WTF??

JD Vance Instructs Americans to Tell on Bosses of People ‘Celebrating’ Murder of Charlie Kirk: ‘Call Their Employer’

www.mediaite.com

JD Vance Urges Americans to Call the Employer of Anyone 'Celebrating' Charlie Kirk Killing

Vice President JD Vance passionately urged Americans to call the employers of the "terrorist sympathizers" who are celebrating Charlie Kirk's murder
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Remember when JD Vance was lecturing Europe about backsliding on protecting Free Speech?

Good times.
 
Centerpiece said:
Glad Charlie has merged into only one thread, and as somebody said zero threads might be better. It’s time for the Charlie stuff to fadeaway into the abyss of the 24 hour news cycle.
This may not be true, but I had heard that he was on a flight with Jeffrey Epstein to “the island” and it was there the two of them concocted the tariffs idea and floated it by Trump, who was also there. While there, they stumbled across Hunter’s laptop and therein found all of Hillary’s emails.
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We are not driving the news cycle. We are just following it. It is important to follow this because the consequences of this story could still impact all of us.
 
I have no issue with employers firing employees if something they say or do in public, including social media, reflects badly on the business.

I have a big problem with the federal government, especially the fucking Vice President of the United States, encouraging tattling and punishment for protected speech.
 
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ole howard1 said:
On the Bulwark, Tim Miller really went off on “illiberal” liberals celebrating Kirk’s death. He was emotional — angry.

I don’t feel like I’m seeing very much of that. But he’s maybe in touch with way more activist types than I am. He’s obviously connected; I’m not. I’ve definitely heard and seen some things I’m not thoroughly comfortable with, but I just don’t know of widespread celebration of the tragedy.

Anyway, Miller was pretty riled up.
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I won't say I've seen a lot of social media posts straight up celebrating Kirk's death, but I have seen a good number of "He was a horrible person and he deserved what he got" posts from simply random people on FB/X/wherever.

There is certainly a rising tide of (calls for) political violence on the left, largely in line with rising populism on the left, and both in response to the fact that right-wing violence, calls for violence, and general dumbfuckery has been met with general acceptance rather than refutation. IMHO, it is not surprising that there are those on the left, seeing that Republicans have paid no price for their widespread advocacy for and using the levers of government to commit political violence, have decided that "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em".
 
I see A LOT of libs celebrating Kirk's death on my social media feeds - not just purple haired barista's - educators, administrators, nurses, Drs., a Secret Service agent, police officers and business owners. It's pretty widespread unfortunately.

No question the social media algorithms are giving us what we want to see but I see a danger in getting people too fired up. The problem is that many people are giving them content to send out.
 
ZenMode said:
I have no issue with employers firing employees if something they say or do in public, including social media, reflects badly on the business or the business.

I have a big problem with the federal government, especially the fucking Vice President of the United States, encouraging tattling and punishment for protected speech.
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Well the President himself is doing it too, and has been basically since Kirk was killed Days ago Trump directly posted calling for the firing of a Clemson professor for a social media post (and the professor was then subsequently fired).
 
Ramrouser said:
I see A LOT of libs celebrating Kirk's death on my social media feeds - not just purple haired barista's - educators, administrators, nurses, Drs., a Secret Service agent, police officers and business owners. It's pretty widespread unfortunately.

No question the social media algorithms are giving us what we want to see but I see a danger in getting people too fired up. The problem is that many people are giving them content to send out.
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Are these screenshots or actual posts? My best guess is that give the social media diet you consume, you are likely seeing screenshots posted by outrage-seeking conservatives. I highly doubt your algorithm is leading you to actual gleeful posts.
 
Ramrouser said:
I see A LOT of libs celebrating Kirk's death on my social media feeds - not just purple haired barista's - educators, administrators, nurses, Drs., a Secret Service agent, police officers and business owners. It's pretty widespread unfortunately.

No question the social media algorithms are giving us what we want to see but I see a danger in getting people too fired up. The problem is that many people are giving them content to send out.
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This may be the least aware post you've ever made. It's like the first paragraph and the second are from people living on different planets. You acknowledge in your post that social media algorithms are just feeding us and amplifying fringe voices - but you still can't stop looking at your own social media feed doing exactly that and realize that you're letting your self-curated algorithm convince you that celebration of Kirk's death is "widespread" when in reality it's, like, dozens or hundreds of people in a country of 330 million.

You want to stop being so angry all the time? Stop scrolling your damn feed letting yourself be convinced that the stuff being fed to you by grifting scumbags like Chaya Raichik are somehow representative of what all Democrats or all people on the left are saying or doing. You're being part of the problem rather than part of the solution.
 
ChapelHillSooner said:
We are not driving the news cycle. We are just following it. It is important to follow this because the consequences of this story could still impact all of us.
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Of course, the news cycle, cycles itself… like a self-propelled lawn mower. Like Trump wants Epstein to fade away from the news, I want Kirk to fade away. And if that means fewer poasts on the Kirk thread here, so be it. And I think any “consequences” of this story were going to manifest themselves sooner or later anyway. Perhaps this simply accelerated some things, but anything that trump or the right wingnuts do today (invade Memphis) or tomorrow (who knows) was going to happen anyway.
 
nycfan said:
Kirk was getting a lot of shit from Trump Loyalists (like Laura Loomer) before his murder because he was demanding Bondi quit obfuscating on Epstein and release the full files to clear the air and satisfy a key promise made to MAGA.

Under direct pressure froM Trump, he publicly said he would t talk about it anymore at one point but then clarified he was just giving them time to do the right thing. Kirk promoted the conspiracy theory (with a lot of left wing adherents) that Epstein worked for Mossad, which led to fever swamp suggestions that he had been killed by an Israeli assassin in the hours before his alleged killer was captured.

So for all his flaws, I don’t think there is an Epstein-Kirk connection (if nothing else, Kirk was too young to really have been involved unless he had been groomed to work at Epstein’s ranch at some point).
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Yes, no Kirk/Epstein… but I was being totally facetious with all of that nonsense. I thought the “Hunter laptop with all of Hillary’s emails found on the island” would give it away.

Honestly I had no idea who or what this Charlie Kirk was anyway until just the other day. Had somebody mentioned “Kirk” to me 2 weeks ago I would have thought they were taking about the Captain. Beam me up Scottie. Make it so #1. Same with “Charlie”. I have a brown dog named Charlie. Great dog BTW. If someone had mentioned “Charlie Kirk” 2 weeks ago I’d have had visions of a brown dog at the helm of the Starship Enterprise.
 
rodoheel said:
Well the President himself is doing it too, and has been basically since Kirk was killed Days ago Trump directly posted calling for the firing of a Clemson professor for a social media post (and the professor was then subsequently fired).
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I thought he reposted something from the university saying a professor had been suspended. Not a big difference, I guess.
 
Ramrouser said:
I see A LOT of libs celebrating Kirk's death on my social media feeds - not just purple haired barista's - educators, administrators, nurses, Drs., a Secret Service agent, police officers and business owners. It's pretty widespread unfortunately.

No question the social media algorithms are giving us what we want to see but I see a danger in getting people too fired up. The problem is that many people are giving them content to send out.
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What is your definition of “celebrating?”

And be honest.
 
Ramrouser said:
I see A LOT of libs celebrating Kirk's death on my social media feeds - not just purple haired barista's - educators, administrators, nurses, Drs., a Secret Service agent, police officers and business owners. It's pretty widespread unfortunately.

No question the social media algorithms are giving us what we want to see but I see a danger in getting people too fired up. The problem is that many people are giving them content to send out.
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That is a problem and people doing it are shit for brains scum. The same can also be said about attorneys who are scapegoating Trans people who don't have shit to do with this mess whether those attorneys be the attorney general or message board posters.
 
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