The Charlie Kirk Thread

[Zoo_View]

Hey @Ramrouser did you know that "the First Amendment prohibits government officials from relying on the threat of invoking legal sanctions and other means of coercion to achieve the suppression of disfavored speech"? Did you know that "Government officials cannot attempt to coerce private parties in order to punish or suppress views that the government disfavors"? How about this: "A government official can share her views freely and criticize particular beliefs, and she can do so forcefully in the hopes of persuading others to follow her lead. In doing so, she can rely on the merits and force of her ideas, the strength of her convictions, and her ability to inspire others. What she cannot do, however, is use the power of the State to punish or suppress disfavored expression."

Any idea what case that's from, ram? Or do you need to get one of the younger folks in the office to help you use Westlaw?

Under this Administration and SCOTUS?

 

[Bobfripp]

Abigail Jackson, a White House spokeswoman, said in a statement that Mr. Obama “is the architect of modern political division in America.”

“Obama used every opportunity to sow division and pit Americans against each other, and following his presidency more Americans felt Obama divided the country than felt he united it,” she said.

-> After National Tragedies, Obama and Trump Are a Study in Contrasts

Comments from the MAGA adjacent on the board? Obama is a divider, more than Trump?

 

[Zoo_View]

Greg Gutfeld literally mocked Melissa Hortman's death just this week. When another commentator compared Melissa Hortman's death to Charlie Kirk, Gutfeld mocked the comparison and basically said that nobody had ever heard of Hortman (including him) so it wasn't the same as Kirk's. There is no doubt - none - that if a liberal talking head had done that then there would have been major pressure for them to be fired (and in the current climate they likely would have), but for Gutfeld there was just crickets and not even a reprimand, much less a firing. There is a clear and growing double standard for liberal commentators and entertainers and journalists versus conservative ones - they can say anything and people shrug, including their employers, but let a liberal behave the same and it's an outrage and the knives come out for them.

The employers don’t just shrug. They applaud.

 

[rodoheel]

Abigail Jackson, a White House spokeswoman, said in a statement that Mr. Obama “is the architect of modern political division in America.”

“Obama used every opportunity to sow division and pit Americans against each other, and following his presidency more Americans felt Obama divided the country than felt he united it,” she said.

-> After National Tragedies, Obama and Trump Are a Study in Contrasts

Comments from the MAGA adjacent on the board? Obama is a divider, more than Trump?

I, for one, remember when Obama divided the country by pretending to be born here.

 

[1moretimeagain]

And Jimmy can just go make a streaming show on YouTube and probably gain followers cause fuck our networks

You think this will make maga stop hating you? Lol they need a foil and you are the spineless bitches that don't understand it

Not confined to media. Big corporate America has been abysmal all year long.

 

[rodoheel]

Under this Administration and SCOTUS?

We'll give ram a chance to answer first, lol.

 

[1moretimeagain]

Nexstar made a business decision. Kimmel was spewing fake news and the company decided the show wasn’t a right fit for its stations. Plus, Kimmel was only drawing 1.7 M viewers (same as Colbert) so it’s not like the show was making the stations tons of money.

Gutfeld’s going to get some new viewers.

Why wouldn’t Gutfeld already have those Kimmel viewers? The shows dont air at the same time, so the viewer could watch both live.

 

[ZenMode]

Or you just snipe In the neck the people who are going low.

 

[StrangePackage]

Or you just snipe In the neck the people who are going low.

She doesn't have the cognitive function to do that, according to some.

 

[Zoo_View]

She doesn't have the cognitive function to do that, according to some.

 

[Bobfripp]

Or you just snipe In the neck the people who are going low.

Tyler Robinson isn't you, and he isn't me. He's one of 340+ million people in USA and he only represents himself. He's an alleged murderer.

 

[rodoheel]

Tyler Robinson isn't you, and he isn't me. He's one of 340+ million people in USA and he only represents himself. He's a murderer.

He is an *accused* murderer. One would hope that, unlike other people against whom the Trump administration has taken adverse action, he will receive the full benefit of due process under the law.

 

[1moretimeagain]

I suppose Elon won’t whine about being left out of this one.

 

[dcphx]

Does MAGA really want to set a standard of the FC being able to punish networks when someone says something arguably untrue there?

apparently yes

 

[superrific]

It was the government threatening to take action against a private company because it didn’t like what a private citizen said. Textbook first amendment violation. Jimmy is going to be even richer soon.

Jimmy only has standing to sue ABC, and that would be for breach of contract

 

[superrific]

Just keep a long memory, liberals. As I've been saying, they won't stop if they don't get hit. When we get the chance, we need to hit them 10x harder back. Preferably that would mean selling a few states to Canada, but in any event, no more going high or appealing to our better natures.

Fascists think of nothing but concentrating power and we would be hard pressed to compete with that. Fascists are like Tyler Hansbrough when it comes to controlling people. Relentless and not distracted. So we definitely cannot tie our hands behind our backs by preaching virtue.

It's the same logic as punitive damages. Compensatory damages are often thought to provide insufficient deterrence, so to prevent companies from selling exploding cars because it's cheaper to settle than to recall, punitive damages are needed. Same thing here.

 

[superrific]

*sigh* another merger decision before the FCC at the center of this?

Nexstar’s Decision To Drop Jimmy Kimmel’s Show From Its ABC Stations Indefinitely Comes As It Seeks FCC Approval For Major Merger — Update

The station group is seeking FCC approval of a major merger.

deadline.com

Yes. And Trump has always shown a willingness to politicize the antitrust decision making. Even back in his first term, right at the beginning, he tried to block the AT&T/Time Warner merger because he didn't like CNN. They actually went to court and basically got laughed at by everyone.

If Nexstar is really trying to buy its closest rival (I don't know what their market is, or how the market is defined), that would be a flagged transaction that any DOJ/FTC would review closely. It could go either way. Pretty sure Nexstar was buying something by cancelling Jimmy. Trump has been railing against Jimmy for years now.

 

[UNCBAdookJD]

Jimmy only has standing to sue ABC, and that would be for breach of contract

Considering Trump has been going after Jimmy hard for a long time, Jimmy would have a cognizable claim at least for tortious interference.

 

[rodoheel]

Jimmy only has standing to sue ABC, and that would be for breach of contract

Jimmy absolutely has standing under existing precedent to bring suit against any government officials who coerced ABC into kicking him off the air for violation of his first amendment rights

 

[ZenMode]

Tyler Robinson isn't you, and he isn't me. He's one of 340+ million people in USA and he only represents himself. He's an alleged murderer.

True story....

I was told by more than one person that I looked like Tyler in the original, blurry photo.

Also, I'm visiting a friend in Utah next month. We are going to his cabin in St. George....where Lance Twiggs family is from.