The Charlie Kirk Thread

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ZenMode said:
He's an adult and in a position of leadership.
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He’s referring to the Nazi comments made by 24 - 37 year-old “young republicans” who were forgiven by party leadership due to their youthful ages.

I agree with Oxford club kicking this dude out, fwiw.
 
nycfan said:
“… In Tennessee, a wave of firings and suspensions took place across the state, with numerous public employees and college and university staffers punished for their posts. A high school science teacher was suspended after being targeted by the right-wing website The Federalist for an Instagram story calling Kirk a “POS” and quoting his reaction to the 2023 Covenant School shooting in Nashville, which left seven dead, including three 9-year-old students. “It’s worth to have, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God given rights,” Kirk had said. And, under pressure from Republican Sen. Marsha Blackburn, who is running for Tennessee governor, a university fired a theater professorfor posting an old article about Kirk’s comments, issuing a statement explaining that the professor had “reshared a post on social media that was insensitive, disrespectful and interpreted by many as propagating justification for unlawful death.”

But Bushart’s case is in a class of its own. He is almost certainly the only person who was arrested and held on a serious criminal charge for a Facebook post in the wake of Kirk’s death — a charge that seems clearly divorced from reality.

… In Bushart’s case, the warrant affidavit contains a short narrative summarizing the ostensible evidence against him. “At approximately 1900 hours,” writes Perry County Sheriff’s Investigator Jason Morrow, “I … received a message from Sheriff Nick Weems regarding a Facebook post Larry Bushart made on the What’s Happening in Perry County, TN Facebook page stating ‘This seems relevant today…’ with an image of Donald Trump and the words ‘We have to get over it.’”

Morrow quotes the rest of the meme and notes that it was posted “on a message thread regarding the Charlie Kirk vigil.” He then writes: “This was a means of communication, via picture, posted to a Perry County, TN Facebook page in which a reasonable person would conclude could lead to serious bodily injury, or death of multiple people.”…”

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“… The post invoked a school shooting at a “Perry High School.” The local high school in Linden is called Perry County High School. Moreover, just one month earlier, Weems had reported an alleged threat against the school, prompting administrators to cancel all classes “for the safety of our students and staff.” Still, it was easy to discern that, apart from the name “Perry,” there was nothing connecting the meme to Linden.

… [sheriff] WEEMS HAD BEEN happy to publicize Bushart’s arrest at first. In the earliest news story on September 22, local radio station WOPC published Bushart’s mugshot along with a statement from the sheriff, who said that Bushart’s meme had alluded to “a hypothetical shooting at a place called Perry High School.” According to Weems, “That message caused considerable concern within the community and we were asked to investigate.”

Readers found this perplexing. “I’m confused,” one woman wrote on Facebook after the story was posted on the station page. “He was talking about shooting up the school or shooting up a vigil. How are the two things connected?” Another reader speculated that Weems hadn’t heard of the Iowa shooting and misinterpreted the post as a threat. “A man is in jail because the sheriff didn’t use google.”

… Weems insisted that Bushart wanted to sow panic, telling The Tennessean that “investigators believe Bushart was fully aware of the fear his post would cause and intentionally sought to create hysteria within the community.”

… Yet there were no public signs of this hysteria. Nor was there much evidence of an investigation — or any efforts to warn county schools. Although the Perry County Schools District did not respond to messages from The Intercept, attorneys with the Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression filed a series of open records requests with the school district asking for any communications to or from staff pertaining to the case — including terms like “shooting,” “threat,” and “meme.” In response, the director of schools wrote that there were no records related to Bushart’s case. “The Perry County Sheriff’s Department handled this situation,” he wrote.

… Bushart’s wife declined to speak on the record on the advice of the attorney. But Bushart’s son defended his dad on social media, calling the prosecution “an egregious violation of his 1st Amendment rights” and spelling out what has been clear from the start: The meme he shared was meant to show “the hypocrisy in honoring Charlie Kirk while ignoring other tragic incidents of mass violence.”

For now, Bushart faces the prospect of spending Thanksgiving in jail. …”
 
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“… The Tennessean cross-referenced the photo and found it was posted numerous times across multiple social media platforms, not connected to Bushart going back to 2024.

But Weems said Bushart posted the picture “to indicate or make the audience think it was referencing our Perry High School.”…”
 
This is what I find so confusing about Ram. Earlier in this very thread he said that he would be lying if he said that he didn't enjoy the suffering of others, and I assumed that he thought lying was bad - worse than enjoying the suffering of others.

But now we see that he's willing to lie about a lot of things. You'd think that he would lie about things where the truth makes him look like a terrible person, but instead he lies about things to justify being a terrible person.
 
rodoheel said:
You're trying to draw some arbitrary line between "bowing to pressure from an online mob" (bad) and "internally evaluate the situation and make a decision" (good) but the two things you're talking about don't happen independently of each other. The pressure from the "online mob" is part of the internal decision making, and you can't isolate those things from each other and try to group every firing into one of those two buckets. You are just sort of arbitrarily deciding that this decision must have had more to do with "interna; deliberation" than "outside pressure" with absolutely zero awareness of what happened inside the group.
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I think we know now that the online mob is largely irrelevant either because a) they're a very small # of squeaky wheels or b) they're a small # of squeaky wheels trying to impersonate a large number of squeaky wheels.

I think Trader Joes telling the "mob" to go pound sand exposed the reality of the mob "influence". That doesn't mean that there are NO situations that need to be addressed as a result of public outcry, but it's not nearly as prominent as we were made to believe in a few years ago.

In the case of Charlie Kirk, I'd hope that businesses ignore social media when making their decisions. I think that is not impossible.
 
Vance among those seeking to inherit Charlie Kirk’s mantle & influence:



Tucker Carlson is doing so as well, and seems to be promoting Nick Fuentes as his younger frontman …



 
nycfan said:
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“… “When people say that Israel is somehow manipulating or controlling the President of the United States — they’re not controlling this president in the United States, which is one of the reasons why we’ve been able to have some of the success that we’ve had in the Middle East,” Vance says …

Vance went on to respond to the student’s claims regarding Judaism, acknowledging that members of the faith don’t view Jesus as the Messiah as Christians do, calling this “one of the realities.”

“My attitude is, let’s have those conversations. Let’s have those disagreements when we have them. But if there are shared areas of interest, we ought to be willing to do that too,” he said.

“One thing I really, really care about is the preservation of the Church of the Holy Sepulcher in Jerusalem. Christians believe that that is the site where Jesus Christ was crucified and also that his tomb is right there as well. My attitude is, if we can work with our friends in Israel to make sure that Christians have safe access to that site, that’s an obvious area of common interest,” said Vance, who paid a visit to that church when he was in Israel last week.…”
 


I don't know what to make of it. It sure is odd. Maybe best to go with going to go with "My husband was just murdered and I'm very heavily medicated", and leave it at that?
 
Bigs23 said:
Mississippi
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Wholly unsurprising. It's the 2nd least educated state, after WV.

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Education varies between states. Wallethub compared all 50 U.S. states using 20 different metrics across two dimensions: Educational Attainment and Quality of Education. These metrics included the share of adults over 25 years old with a high school diploma/some college/at least a Bachelor’s degree/etc., quality of public school systems, public high school graduation rate, enrolled students in top universities, public college graduation rate, and more. Each state was given a score of zero to 100, with 100 being the “most educated.” Each state’s weighted average across all metrics was then determined to rank the states. Below are the country’s least educated states, according to Wallethub.

West Virginia is the least educated U.S. state, with an overall score of 23.15. West Virginia ranks last for Educational Attainment with the lowest shares of people with associate’s degrees or some college experience and those with bachelor’s degrees, at 20.6%. West Virginia also has the fourth-lowest average university quality.

Mississippi has a score of 25.35. As the second-least educated state, it ranks 49th for Educational Attainment and 47th for Quality of Education. Mississippi has the third-lowest share of high school diploma holders at 84.5%, the second-lowest share of bachelor’s degree holders, and the fifth-lowest share of both people with associate’s degrees or college experience and graduate degree holders.

Louisiana holds the third-place spot for the least educated states. Louisiana has a score of 25.75 and ranks 48th for Educational Attainment and 45th for Quality of Education. Louisiana has the fourth-lowest share of high school diploma holders and bachelor’s degree holders, the second-lowest share of associate’s degree holders, and the fourth-lowest share of graduate degree holders.

Arkansas’s score is 31.00 out of 100. Arkansas is in 47th for Educational Attainment, and its Quality of Education rank is an improvement to 24th. Arkansas has the third-lowest share of associates, bachelor’s, and graduate degree holders.

Alabama is the country’s fifth-least educated state. Alabama’s Education Attainment rank is 45, and its Quality of Education rank is 38, with a total score of 33.08. About 22% of Alabama adults have a bachelor’s degree or higher, which is lower than the 25% nationwide average; however, this gap is closing.

On the other hand, the most educated U.S. states are Massachusetts (81.82), Maryland(78.48), Connecticut(72.68), Colorado (69.82), and Vermont (69.67).
 
Ddseddse said:


I don't know what to make of it. It sure is odd. Maybe best to go with going to go with "My husband was just murdered and I'm very heavily medicated", and leave it at that?
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I’m experiencing an uncanny valley feeling from this video. Is it AI or just odd?
 
pspsps said:
I’m experiencing an uncanny valley feeling from this video. Is it AI or just odd?
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Can’t say. But I have seen multiple cuts of this same video.

I do think there’s way too much emotional nuance for this to be an outright fake though. I feel like a fake would be more direct. Like the way her face goes though six different emotions in a two seconds, that would seem to me to be hard to fake.

Either way, I 100% agree it reads uncanny valley. That’s why I think it may be best to cut her some slack here and maybe see this though the lens of “heavily traumatized, heavily medicated” woman.

In a weird way maybe it makes her into an (somewhat) sympathetic figure? I mean no matter how terrible person she may or may not actually be, it doesn’t mean it ok for her to be used as pawn, a figurehead, and trotted around like a show pony immediately after her husband was assassinated. Like maybe she needs some time to grieve in private.
 
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