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Zoo_View said:
Eastgate has flooded since it was built in 1958.

Nothing should have been built there.

It’s a fucking flood zone “uphill” from a swamp close to the confluence of New Hope, Booker, Bolin, and Morgan Creeks.

Booker Creek ostensibly runs under Eastgate headed towards the Rainbow Soccer fields, University Mall, Glen Lennox…..you know……places that flood in heavy rains.

Squids has generally been just high enough to not swamp.
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Yes. Eastgate floods all the time. But this one looks like it has swamped the Elliot road area too, so that doesn’t bode well.
 
Calheel said:
Yes. Eastgate floods all the time. But this one looks like it has swamped the Elliot road area too, so that doesn’t bode well.
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The Eastern Portion of Elliot Road is basically Eastgate and the SWAMP to the east of Chapel Hill…….with more roofs and pavement than 5 years ago…..especially on the Colony Woods/Ridgefield/Ephesus Church side of “The By-Pass.”

It’s laughable the development that Chapel Hill has permitted in that SWAMP (15-501 Boulevard/Eastgate/East Elliot Road [yes, it exists]/Estes/University Mall/Rainbow Fields/Glen Lennox).

The area floods if 20 guys go outside to pee.
 
Friend in North Chatham writes:


“Earlier tonight on Bynum Bridge... the water levels went from four feet to 18 feet in 3 hours! 60,000 cubic feet of water ( and giant logs) were passing under the bridge per second!

The bridge also flooded a fifth of the way across not from the river itself, rather from the water and debris pouring down the hill and blocking the drain holes turning the bridge into a chute.”
 
Every time I catch up on the news from Texas, I’m more shocked. Yes, this is a notoriously flood prone area. Yes, it was a holiday weekend with a lot of campers. Yes, the children’s camps massively increased the risk. But how did this storm (likely) kill more people than died in all of WNC during Helene? To be fair, I was surprised (and very thankful) more people did not die in Helene, but the scale of this Texas tragedy is just astounding.
 
lawtig02 said:
Every time I catch up on the news from Texas, I’m more shocked. Yes, this is a notoriously flood prone area. Yes, it was a holiday weekend with a lot of campers. Yes, the children’s camps massively increased the risk. But how did this storm (likely) kill more people than died in all of WNC during Helene? To be fair, I was surprised (and very thankful) more people did not die in Helene, but the scale of this Texas tragedy is just astounding.
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With Helene, there had been warnings for a few days that a tropical storm would make its way through that part of the state. Because of the warnings and because it was a tropical storm (vs. forecasts of just rainfall), most of those who remained in the area sheltered in secured structures, and you didn’t have people out camping by the rivers or just being out and about.

With the Texas flooding, while it is related to a tropical storm, the tropical storm itself was not making its way to that area. There weren’t the same level of warnings. And people were out camping, being out and about, and not sheltering in secured structures.
 
The Heroic Fire Department and Civil Protection team from Acuña, Coahuila, Mexico, together with Fundación 911 México, they traveled today to Kerrville, Texas 🇺🇸 to join the search and rescue efforts after the severe flooding caused by the overflow of the Guadalupe River. 🌊
This mission is in response to a request for support from Texas EquuSearch, an organization dedicated to locating missing persons.
It’s a powerful reminder to support those who always show up for others.
👨‍🚒 Members of the Acuña Civil Protection & Fire Department Water Rescue Team and Fundación 911 México:
• Carlos Flores
• Javier Alvarado Lumbreras
• Cristopher Abraham Herrera
• Roel Delgado Martínez
• José Omar Llanas
• Aldo Ortiz Rodríguez
• Mario Alberto Linares
• Guillermo Samuel Quiroz
• Javier Isaac Alvarado
• Jesús Eduardo Salas
👥 Fundación 911 México members:
• Ismael Aldaba Flores
• Miguel Ángel González
• Jesús Gómez Arizpe
👏🏻 Deep respect and admiration to these brave individuals for their dedication and solidarity beyond borders! Muchas gracias MEXICO!! 🇲🇽

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from WRAL
5:45 a.m.: In Chatham County, N.C. 87 is impassable where it crosses Terrel Creek, near Chicken Bridge Road, and where it crosses Long Branch, near Castle Rock Farm Road. N.C. 902 near Chatham Central Road has collapsed and is closed.
Chatham County Sheriff Mike Roberson posted on Facebook, "There are over 100 flooded roads and flooding will continue into tonight and tomorrow even after the rain stops. Stay off the roads but if you must go slow and DO NOT drive through water."
 
Quite a few trees down driving on Mt. Carmel Church today. Yesterday a tree was down on 54 in Carrboro as well.
 
Zoo_View said:
Eastgate has flooded since it was built in 1958.

Nothing should have been built there.

It’s a fucking flood zone “uphill” from a swamp close to the confluence of New Hope, Booker, Bolin, and Morgan Creeks.

Booker Creek ostensibly runs under Eastgate headed towards the Rainbow Soccer fields, University Mall, Glen Lennox…..you know……places that flood in heavy rains.

Squids has generally been just high enough to not swamp.
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Downstream is the golf course community. That will be interesting to see. During Fran the sewer plant got flooded- by the Finley golf course. If that happens nothing good happens
 
Icky Mettle said:
With Helene, there had been warnings for a few days that a tropical storm would make its way through that part of the state. Because of the warnings and because it was a tropical storm (vs. forecasts of just rainfall), most of those who remained in the area sheltered in secured structures, and you didn’t have people out camping by the rivers or just being out and about.

With the Texas flooding, while it is related to a tropical storm, the tropical storm itself was not making its way to that area. There weren’t the same level of warnings. And people were out camping, being out and about, and not sheltering in secured structures.
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Yeah, I get what happened and agree the notice for WNC made a big difference (although from what I've heard, a lot of people in those communities did not get the warnings). I think more than anything, it's just how floods work in that part of the country. The flooding in the Triangle looks horrible and there will be a lot of damage, but I'm fairly confident the death toll will be far, far lower. The state would be in utter shock if a storm like that, as bad as it was, killed 80+ people. I find it equally shocking it happened in Texas, notwithstanding the geographical differences between the places.
 
Carolina Fever said:
32 dead, including 14 kids, from flooding in Texas. A lot of girls that were at a summer camp are still missing, too.

www.wral.com

14 children in Texas are among the 37 dead from flash floods as the search continues for the missing

KERRVILLE, Texas (AP) — Rescuers scoured flooded riverbanks littered with mangled trees Saturday and turned over rocks in the search for more than two dozen children from a girls’ camp and many others missing after a wall of water blasted down a river in the Texas Hill Country. The storm killed...
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"Camp Mystic is a private Christian summer camp for girls. Established in 1926, Mystic is nestled among cypress, live oak, and pecan trees in the hill country of west-central Texas on the banks of the beautiful Guadalupe River."

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I say this carefully and hoping this comment isn't triggering for anyone here, but I really hope the Texas disaster can be a wake up call for summer camps the same way the horrible Phi Gamma Delta fire was for Greek organizations. At almost all summer camps, water is a huge part of the experience. As climate change continues to pour gasoline on our weather systems, I hope all summer camps will take a look at what could happen if a storm develops that drops two or three times more rain than it would have a few years ago. The Guadalupe River may be unique in some ways, but I'm fairly sure there are countless summer camps across the country that have comparable risk in this scenario.
 


Right by the Saxapahaw General Store, Ballroom and the Eddy. Spent a lot of time there and never occurred to me that water could or would get that high outside of a major hurricane.
 
And it seems we are seeing more and more of these types of flooding from tropical systems that aren't really major storms as far as wind but stall and dump a lot of rain somewhere.
 
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