Tracking UNC’s School of Civic Life and Leadership

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For good measure they eliminated Drama and Religious Studies and the major in French and German.

It's a really interesting problem. The schools that are UNC non-chapel hill just don't have the same prestige so they are dying. But UNC Chapel Hill is very desirable to the potential student population so they are expanding it to meet demand.

But they are all technically part of the same system. If the UNC system as a whole could somehow add to the prestige and quality of the education, we could serve a lot more students in North Carolina.

I'm sure it's been tried. I suspect the professors from Chapel Hill have been sent to Asheville and Wilmington. I'm sure remote is an option. But it's just not working.
 
No profs from UNC have been sent to system schools.
None? Do you know that for sure? UNC profs go to London, Singapore and the Galapagos as part of a formal exchange. Its hard to believe some professors wouldn't want to spend a summer in Asheville or Wilmington or have family in Greensboro or Charlotte.
 
None? Do you know that for sure? UNC profs go to London, Singapore and the Galapagos as part of a formal exchange. Its hard to believe some professors wouldn't want to spend a summer in Asheville or Wilmington or have family in Greensboro or Charlotte.
World of difference between a professor at UNC choosing to go to another system school and being “sent.”

Organizing professors is about as easy as herding cats. They’re not getting “sent.”
 
World of difference between a professor at UNC choosing to go to another system school and being “sent.”

Organizing professors is about as easy as herding cats. They’re not getting “sent.”
No
Not being sent
Choosing to , a maybe a couple . Senior administrators-one or two
 
No
Not being sent
Choosing to , a maybe a couple . Senior administrators-one or two

Thank you. I thought it was obvious that the Chapel Hill professors weren't being picked up by the prison bus and sent to other UNC campuses around the state but I appreciate you explaining it to the fella that didn't catch it. My fault for wording it that way.
 
Thank you. I thought it was obvious that the Chapel Hill professors weren't being picked up by the prison bus and sent to other UNC campuses around the state but I appreciate you explaining it to the fella that didn't catch it. My fault for wording it that way.


I’m trying to think of any scenario where this is happening.
 
Chancellors (left off a few)

Karrie Dixon from ECSU to NCCU

A&T’s Chancellor came from Pitt

ASU’s Provost is interim Chancellor and not from the UNC System

UNCA’s Chancellor did come from General Administration but not UNC (Texas system before that)

UNCW’s CH came from Elon

UNCC’s CH from U of Toledo

ECU’s CH — from private sector

UNCP CH — from healthcare (but a UNC UG)

WCU CH — came from Georgia system

NCSU CH — from Purdue

Be interesting to look at where the provosts are coming from.

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Just an aside — The schools of the UNC System Board of Governors

Randy Ramsey _ Chair - NONE

Wendy Floyd Murphy - Vice Chair - UNCW

Secretary: Pearl Burris-Floyd - UNC


MEMBERS
Dr. Lee Barnes — ASU & dook & Fielding Graduate University
Kellie Hunt Blue - Pembroke
Kirk J. Bradley - UGa & dook
Harry Brown - Campbell
C. Philip Byers - ASU & WCU & NCSU
Swadesh Chatterjee - NCSU
Jimmy D. Clark - NCSU
Carolyn Coward - Tenn & UNC Law
Gene Davis - UNC & UNC Law
Joel Ford - NCA&T
John Fraley - UNC
Estefany Gordillo-Rivas - WCU Student
Reginald Ronald Holley - UNC
Mark Holton - UNC & UNC Law
Terry Hutchens - NCSU & WFU Law
J. Alex Mitchell - NCSU
Sonja Phillips Nichols - FLA A&M
Art Pope - UNC & dook
Lee H. Roberts - dook
Temple Sloan - U of WY
Woody White - Southern College(TN) & UT Law
Michael Williford - UNC & NCCU Law
 



UNC Faculty Response Below






Below are EXCERPTS only...Here is the link to the entire op-ed: Op-ed: UNC professor responds to future SCiLL faculty member's New York Times guest essay

"In a recent opinion piece, Rita Koganzon of the School of Civic Life and Leadership railed against coddled college students who, she claims, routinely get away with bad behavior. She gave as examples the failure of campus police to arrest students who drink, the willingness of professors to give A's even for incoherent assignments and students' ability to protest the destruction of Gaza with minimal consequences. Prestigious institutions like UNC are the worst, she wrote, because “the more elite the school, the more acute the problem.” Koganzon seems especially bothered by universities' desire to create a safe environment that promotes growth but limits the opportunities for damage. She cheers the recent curtailing of diversity, equity and inclusion efforts."


"Professor Koganzon is one of 11 faculty members recently hired to help staff the SCiLL. Unlike the joint appointees with homes in other departments, the new faculty have no formal affiliation with existing departments. This school was created — via Board of Trustees fiat, in flagrant disregard for the will and expertise of UNC faculty — for the express purpose of creating a safe environment for conservative thinkers. Although they may be fine people and scholars, the core faculty of SCiLL, lacking departmental affiliations, escaped the rigors of normal academic hiring practices. The school to which they were recruited is unconstrained by traditions of disciplinary expertise. It measures academic merit not by disciplinary standards but by one's location on an ideological spectrum. We can only assume that tenure and promotion decisions in the SCiLL will reflect similar priorities.

Though they would never admit it, the faculty of SCiLL benefited from affirmative action, but of the unjustifiable kind that works in reverse."
 



UNC Faculty Response Below






Below are EXCERPTS only...Here is the link to the entire op-ed: Op-ed: UNC professor responds to future SCiLL faculty member's New York Times guest essay

"In a recent opinion piece, Rita Koganzon of the School of Civic Life and Leadership railed against coddled college students who, she claims, routinely get away with bad behavior. She gave as examples the failure of campus police to arrest students who drink, the willingness of professors to give A's even for incoherent assignments and students' ability to protest the destruction of Gaza with minimal consequences. Prestigious institutions like UNC are the worst, she wrote, because “the more elite the school, the more acute the problem.” Koganzon seems especially bothered by universities' desire to create a safe environment that promotes growth but limits the opportunities for damage. She cheers the recent curtailing of diversity, equity and inclusion efforts."


"Professor Koganzon is one of 11 faculty members recently hired to help staff the SCiLL. Unlike the joint appointees with homes in other departments, the new faculty have no formal affiliation with existing departments. This school was created — via Board of Trustees fiat, in flagrant disregard for the will and expertise of UNC faculty — for the express purpose of creating a safe environment for conservative thinkers. Although they may be fine people and scholars, the core faculty of SCiLL, lacking departmental affiliations, escaped the rigors of normal academic hiring practices. The school to which they were recruited is unconstrained by traditions of disciplinary expertise. It measures academic merit not by disciplinary standards but by one's location on an ideological spectrum. We can only assume that tenure and promotion decisions in the SCiLL will reflect similar priorities.

Though they would never admit it, the faculty of SCiLL benefited from affirmative action, but of the unjustifiable kind that works in reverse."

This new school is quite literally a school for conservative snowflakes created by the GOP state legislature and their conservative appointees to the BOG for making conservatives feel more "welcome" on an historically liberal university campus. People like Rita are clearly at UNC now to fight the proud progressive tradition and history of the school.
 



UNC Faculty Response Below






Below are EXCERPTS only...Here is the link to the entire op-ed: Op-ed: UNC professor responds to future SCiLL faculty member's New York Times guest essay

"In a recent opinion piece, Rita Koganzon of the School of Civic Life and Leadership railed against coddled college students who, she claims, routinely get away with bad behavior. She gave as examples the failure of campus police to arrest students who drink, the willingness of professors to give A's even for incoherent assignments and students' ability to protest the destruction of Gaza with minimal consequences. Prestigious institutions like UNC are the worst, she wrote, because “the more elite the school, the more acute the problem.” Koganzon seems especially bothered by universities' desire to create a safe environment that promotes growth but limits the opportunities for damage. She cheers the recent curtailing of diversity, equity and inclusion efforts."


"Professor Koganzon is one of 11 faculty members recently hired to help staff the SCiLL. Unlike the joint appointees with homes in other departments, the new faculty have no formal affiliation with existing departments. This school was created — via Board of Trustees fiat, in flagrant disregard for the will and expertise of UNC faculty — for the express purpose of creating a safe environment for conservative thinkers. Although they may be fine people and scholars, the core faculty of SCiLL, lacking departmental affiliations, escaped the rigors of normal academic hiring practices. The school to which they were recruited is unconstrained by traditions of disciplinary expertise. It measures academic merit not by disciplinary standards but by one's location on an ideological spectrum. We can only assume that tenure and promotion decisions in the SCiLL will reflect similar priorities.

Though they would never admit it, the faculty of SCiLL benefited from affirmative action, but of the unjustifiable kind that works in reverse."

Even if he is right in this opinion piece, Jay Smith can take a long walk off a short pier.
 
The two professors that are mentioned in the recent DTH Article, “No one has provided me with clear answers: Four inaugural faculty leave SCiLL,” ( ‘No one has provided me with clear answers’: Four inaugural faculty leave SCiLL ) — Sarah Treul (originally referred to as Sarah Treul Roberts) and Matthew Kotzen, do not appear on the current faculty list at the SCiLL department page: People - School of Civic Life and Leadership. A mid-semester exit is a bit odd but I believe that SCiLL was only offering 3 courses this fall. ( SCHOOL OF CIVIC LIFE AND LEADERSHIP (SCLL) < University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill ). They promise 11 next semester.

Kurt Gray, professor of psychology and neuroscience and Mark Katz, distinguished professor of music as well as Jason Roberts, professor of political science also are also no longer listed on the website as being in the program (Where 18 names and profiles can be found) though all appeared on the list of the 9 original appointees released on October 9, 2023. ( College announces SCiLL inaugural faculty | UNC-Chapel Hill ). It appears that Brodey, Decosimo, Hanlon, Heitsch, Li-Ling, Lundberg, Morgan, and Worthen are affiliated with other departments. There appear to be two spousal hires among the faculty in this program. No judgment, just an observation.

Treul is still listed as faculty in Poli Sci as she was an internal appointment rather than being hired from another school: Faculty - Department of Political Science She was also the interim dean and a candidate for the permanent position at SCiLL until Atkins was hired over from dook to run it. Gray is still listed with Psychology, Katz seems to still be in the Music Department, and Jason Roberts is on the Poli Sci page still.

Interesting shifting around evident with just this cursory ‘look-in’ to the program.
 
It’s interesting that Matthew Kotzen is out. He’s the chair of the philosophy department and went back to get his law degree recently.

Obviously, philosophers pride themselves on fostering open debate.

His absence is evidence that this new school is perhaps only interested in civic discourse from certain perspectives.

Much like the “faculty” at Bari Weiss’s sham University of Austin, who mainly seem to be political theorists and catholic theologians.
 
It’s interesting that Matthew Kotzen is out. He’s the chair of the philosophy department and went back to get his law degree recently.

Obviously, philosophers pride themselves on fostering open debate.

His absence is evidence that this new school is perhaps only interested in civic discourse from certain perspectives.

Much like the “faculty” at Bari Weiss’s sham University of Austin, who mainly seem to be political theorists and catholic theologians.

Great points. I should have included the Kotzen info. Gracias.
 
This new school is quite literally a school for conservative snowflakes created by the GOP state legislature and their conservative appointees to the BOG for making conservatives feel more "welcome" on an historically liberal university campus. People like Rita are clearly at UNC now to fight the proud progressive tradition and history of the school.


Bio on Koganzon...

"
Rita Koganzon is a political theorist who studies education, childhood, and the family in political thought. Her first book, Liberal States, Authoritarian Families: Childhood and Education in Early Modern Thought, examines the justifications for authority over children from Jean Bodin to Jean-Jacques Rousseau, and explores how and why Locke and Rousseau departed from their absolutist predecessors by refusing to model the family on the state but nonetheless preserved authority over children within the family for the sake of the liberty of adults. Her second book project focuses on American education, tracing the debate between proponents and opponents of schooling from the early republic through the twentieth century.

In addition to her academic work, Koganzon also contributes book reviews and essays to the Hedgehog Review, National Affairs, The Point, and the Chronicle of Higher Education, among others. She received her PhD in Government from Harvard University, and her BA in History from the University of Chicago. Before coming to the University of North Carolina, she taught at the University of Houston and the University of Virginia."
 
I agree with the opinion in this op-ed, but I wish it had been written by someone that I did not despise :unsure:


He's a pretty loathsome person all around frankly. Before the athletics thing I had to deal with him fairly frequently and again fairly recently. He's haughty and presents himself as someone that thinks a great deal of himself (and evidently his scholarship is solid), but as with you and @Calheel, I agree with his 'take' on this and I have to imagine that he speaks for a good number of people.
 



It is a fair point. The BOG is eliminating or starving Departments in The Humanities at the smaller branch schools while seemingly ignoring their needs at the larger ones yet these sweetheart rightist projects enjoy preferential treatment/funding.
 



It is a fair point. The BOG is eliminating or starving Departments in The Humanities at the smaller branch schools while seemingly ignoring their needs at the larger ones yet these sweetheart rightist projects enjoy preferential treatment/funding.

This is the stated (or unstated) goal, no?

The righties feel that modern humanities programs are too liberal. Humanities programs provide a platform for lgbtq studies, for various feminist ideologies, for race-based examinations of societal hierarchies, for various and sundry evil “-isms”, etc.

Righties want to reel in all that “rebellion” and get back to teaching that western/European/white/patriarchal thought is superior.
 
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