Trump 2028

MendotoManteo said:
As Americans, we accept a certain level of corruption, lies, unaccountability, etc., from our politicians. Always have. It's obviously imperfect, and we should do better. However, this has always been the case, and we've still managed.

Trump is an entirely different level of these things. And one that is completely unacceptable, provided we still have any pretense of remaining a democracy or being a "country of the people." Trumpism is unsustainable, at least if we are to remain a constitutional republic.
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I suppose that’s sort of true, but the levels of corruption we’ve tolerated are far below what is typical in many countries and very often has been punished by law.
 
Geisterfahrer said:
I suppose that’s sort of true, but the levels of corruption we’ve tolerated are far below what is typical in many countries and very often has been punished by law.
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True but things are relative. You're right though that we tolerate things many do not. At least in the developed world.
 
finesse said:
The major blame goes to the people who were so stupid as to ignore the state of SCOTUS in 2016 and let personalities and decades of lies about Hillary persuade them to either vote against her or stay home. Lying Hillary, indeed, you dumbass SOBs.
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Thank you !

I have posted this in years past but it bears repeating...

I had a discussion with my younger daughter and some of her friends before the 2016 election They were in their 30s.

They were talking about how they didn't like Hillary because they had preferred Bernie and saw her as no different than Trump. I said even if you don't like Clinton, you need to vote for her because if Trump is elected he will be nominating SCOTUS justices which would be devastating . They just rolled their eyes.

I guess it's another FAFO ?
 
heelinhell said:
Thank you !

I have posted this in years past but it bears repeating...

I had a discussion with my younger daughter and some of her friends before the 2016 election They were in their 30s.

They were talking about how they didn't like Hillary because they had preferred Bernie and saw her as no different than Trump. I said even if you don't like Clinton, you need to vote for her because if Trump is elected he will be nominating SCOTUS justices which would be devastating . They just rolled their eyes.

I guess it's another FAFO ?
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If people are honest, I can't imagine that any liberal or moderate who didn't vote in 2016/voted third party because they didn't care for Hillary doesn't now regret it, probably several times over. But given human pride and stubbornness I doubt they'll openly admit it. Hell, my guess is even a few Trump voters last year now regret their vote, such as those struggling Iowa farmers in this weekend's NY Times article posted elsewhere. But of course they'd never publicly admit it, because to do so would be to admit they had made a terrible mistake, and that can't be allowed to happen.
 
MendotoManteo said:
True but things are relative. You're right though that we tolerate things many do not. At least in the developed world.
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Indeed things are relative.
Relatively speaking, all the countries in Europe (Western Europe anyway) are all much more tolerant in many ways with their leaders. For example: when Clinton was getting his little Willie polished and the Nation was wringing their puritanical hands, Europe was going “what’s the big deal? So your prez is getting a little nookie on the side… what’s new about that?”

So in that regard - and many others - the developed world actually tolerates a lot of stuff Americans can’t countenance.
 


I continue to think (hope?) that he has two primary intentions with third term teasing: (1) hold off lame duck status as long as he can after the midterms and (2) troll his opposition while goosing MAGA faithful.

He acts like a guy who doesn’t expect another term - do it all NOW at lightning speed.

All that said, if they find a way to hold onto the House at the midterms, all bets are off given the mandate he will claim.
 
nycfan said:


I continue to think (hope?) that he has two primary intentions with third term teasing: (1) hold off lame duck status as long as he can after the midterms and (2) troll his opposition while goosing MAGA faithful.

He acts like a guy who doesn’t expect another term - do it all NOW at lightning speed.

All that said, if they find a way to hold onto the House at the midterms, all bets are off given the mandate he will claim.
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Now he says he will ban mail in and early voting in the mid terms... more evidence his cognitive decline is rapidly worsening.

He confirmed he had an MRI at his last Walter Reed doctor's visit and needless to say it was "perfect". It was the best MRI result they had ever seen !

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'Before it's too late!' Trump says he will ban early voting for midterms in panicked rant

President Donald Trump announced Sunday that mail-in ballots and early voting would be prohibited for the upcoming midterm elections, citing false claims that the 2020 election had been “rigged,” despite having no authority to outlaw such voting practices.“Look what happened to our Country when...
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'It was perfect': Trump confirms MRI exam during recent hospital visit

President Donald Trump said he underwent an MRI scan during his recent checkup at Walter Reed National Military Medical Center.The 79-year-old president went to the hospital Oct. 10 for his second exam since returning to the White House in January, and he told reporters Monday morning aboard Air...
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I think the lame duck comment is it - if people think he will and can keep going then he keeps power over the GOP. Otherwise, after 2026, he's useless
 
aGDevil2k said:
I think the lame duck comment is it - if people think he will and can keep going then he keeps power over the GOP. Otherwise, after 2026, he's useless
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I expect that even if a blue wave happens in 2026 (and, given the Senate seats up AND gerrymandering in the House, I doubt a blue wave happens), any GQPers up for election in 2028 (that would be all the House members and 34 Senate seats - the Trumplican seats total 19: AK, ID, UT, ND, SD, KS, OK, IA, MO, AR, LA, WI, IN, KY, AL, OH, NC, SC, and FL.

How many of those Trumplicans risk Trump primarying them in 2028?

Will any GQP Senate candidates in Democratic states risk speaking out against Trump?

They care about winning their seat. In those 19 GQP Senate seats in 2028, Democrats can only hope to win WI, IA (a huge stretch), NC (a stretch), and GA (another stretch). The GQP looks at NH, PA, NV, and AZ as potentially flippable.

GQP office seekers are not speaking out against Trump. Ever.
 
Zoo_View said:
I expect that even if a blue wave happens in 2026 (and, given the Senate seats up AND gerrymandering in the House, I doubt a blue wave happens), any GQPers up for election in 2028 (that would be all the House members and 34 Senate seats - the Trumplican seats total 19: AK, ID, UT, ND, SD, KS, OK, IA, MO, AR, LA, WI, IN, KY, AL, OH, NC, SC, and FL.

How many of those Trumplicans risk Trump primarying them in 2028?

Will any GQP Senate candidates in Democratic states risk speaking out against Trump?

They care about winning their seat. In those 19 GQP Senate seats in 2028, Democrats can only hope to win WI, IA (a huge stretch), NC (a stretch), and GA (another stretch). The GQP looks at NH, PA, NV, and AZ as potentially flippable.

GQP office seekers are not speaking out against Trump. Ever.
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Warnock is upset that you considered him a Republican
 
Zoo_View said:
I expect that even if a blue wave happens in 2026 (and, given the Senate seats up AND gerrymandering in the House, I doubt a blue wave happens), any GQPers up for election in 2028 (that would be all the House members and 34 Senate seats - the Trumplican seats total 19: AK, ID, UT, ND, SD, KS, OK, IA, MO, AR, LA, WI, IN, KY, AL, OH, NC, SC, and FL.

How many of those Trumplicans risk Trump primarying them in 2028?

Will any GQP Senate candidates in Democratic states risk speaking out against Trump?

They care about winning their seat. In those 19 GQP Senate seats in 2028, Democrats can only hope to win WI, IA (a huge stretch), NC (a stretch), and GA (another stretch). The GQP looks at NH, PA, NV, and AZ as potentially flippable.

GQP office seekers are not speaking out against Trump. Ever.
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I don't really disagree with your logic here but a lot can change in three years - for better or for worse. A lot of things that range from very possible to highly unlikely - in no particular order, things like a 2008-esque (or worse) global financial crash (or on the flip side a global economic boom), outbreak of a major shooting war involving the US, another big round of crypto scams getting exposed, Trump dying, Russia shooting a nuke at someone, major domestic political unrest and/or violence, major terrorist attack domestically or abroad, energy crisis, major natural disaster, or major political scandal related to any number of things - can drastically change or even entirely reset the political calculus. In that sense I think it's too early to be predicting anything remotely confidently about the 2028 electoral landscape, even though I share your skepticism that Trump will ever materially lose his hold on GOP officials.
 
nycfan said:


I continue to think (hope?) that he has two primary intentions with third term teasing: (1) hold off lame duck status as long as he can after the midterms and (2) troll his opposition while goosing MAGA faithful.

He acts like a guy who doesn’t expect another term - do it all NOW at lightning speed.

All that said, if they find a way to hold onto the House at the midterms, all bets are off given the mandate he will claim.
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That is pure trolling.
 
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