Trump Admin dismantling Dept. of Education — mass firings underway

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gtyellowjacket said:
First, that is not Musk's number. That is Biden era HHS's number.

Secondly, I think Elon and his billionaire cohort should pay more in taxes. I'm not sure how you conflate Musk not paying more in taxes with Medicaid and Medicare fraud in your head.
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I didn't dumb ass.
 
Mulberry Heel said:
Based on the comments from the last couple of pages I'm so glad that I put him on ignore a few weeks ago. He's a classic contrarian troll who loves to play devil's advocate and stir shit up and get people worked up on nearly every thread he posts on. There's almost nothing "serious" about him, and he certainly doesn't argue in good faith.
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Agreed, GT isn't a serious poster.

Anyone that loves musk and his chainsaw approach is clueless. I'm adding him to the ignore list now.
 
farce© said:
gt’s typical response: “Do you understand how hysterical you sound?”
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It’s a classic move of the concern troll, and should be immediately disqualifying from discourse in a decent society. Yet, alas, maga and anti-social personalities have united to decide decent, rules-based, empathetic, and knowledge based society isn’t enough to their advantage, so they are actively burning it down, to the favor of ruthlessly sociopathic billionaires.

The best Russian AI bot programmer couldn’t come close to crafting a more effective troll than gt. Folks know he’s a concern troll, yet get caught in page after page of back and forth, with gt demonstrating the same cyclical, irrational, knowledge rejecting bosiding that he/she/they has for many years.

I understand some posters utilize the RWM mid/dis that our resident trolls espouse as a jumping off point for offering their deep knowledge of a topic. I think that’s great. Trouble is, it never ends there. The trolls get quoted ad nauseam (which is a goal) and then get the privilege of driving conversation.
 
UNCatTech said:
Do you understand how ignorant you sound?

The "Fraud" is made up by your orange god. Just like the welfare fraud that we heard so much about and the voting fraud that the pubs love to talk about, yet the data doesn't support it.

Educate our kids? From the party that wants to do away with the department of education and allow schools to post the 10 commandments and require prayer? Really, you believe this party gives a fuck about educating our kids? They want to keep them as dumb as possible so they will believe that musk cares.

Defend ourselves from Russian cyber attacks? Really, from the party that's benefited from Russian interference and is so beholden to Russia that they have determined that Ukraine was at fault for being attacked?


trump and musk are already working to hurt those things, they are not going to bring in anyone that will get in the way.
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The fraud number comes from Biden 's HHS. Trump didn't make it up.

The hysterical comments didn't come from me. I'd ask the poster that made them what he's going on about. I already did but he declined to respond.
 
gtyellowjacket said:
The fraud number comes from Biden 's HHS. Trump didn't make it up.

The hysterical comments didn't come from me. I'd ask the poster that made them what he's going on about. I already did but he declined to respond.
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gtyellowjacket said:
Do you understand how hysterical you sound?

Can you explain how hiring more fraud inspectors in HHS would lead to "dismantling our government’s ability to conduct medical research, predict weather, assure our food and drug supplies are safe, keep toxins out our water supply, educate and feed school children, defend ourselves from Russian cyber attacks, and surrender Ukraine to Russia while emboldening them to try the same tactics on other Eastern European nations"?
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Liar
 
Got to go for the rest of the day guys. Have fun railing against Doge and anyone that supports it. Feel free to assign any position you want to me and then chastise me for it with other folks that agree with you if that's your thing.
 
gtyellowjacket said:
Got to go for the rest of the day guys. Have fun railing against Doge and anyone that supports it. Feel free to assign any position you want to me and then chastise me for it with other folks that agree with you if that's your thing.
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We'll wait. No one else can can quite do as good a job of embarrassing yourself as well as you.
 
I’m a teacher up here in Ohio. Most of the top dogs that I am talking to have a feeling that they won’t completely axe the Department of Education. They will just destroy and gut it so bad that it might as well be an empty building.
 
UNCatTech said:
Define enormous?
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As usual, the clown has no idea what he's talking about. It's $100B in "improper payments" -- which is defined to mean payments that were not correct when made. Some of them are overpayments and some are underpayments. In this figure, those don't cancel out, because they are measuring the total number of improper payments, not looking for a budgetary impact.

Here's a link.

www.gao.gov

Medicare and Medicaid: Additional Actions Needed to Enhance Program Integrity and Save Billions

Both Medicare and Medicaid are susceptible to payment errors—over $100 billion worth in 2023. Known as "improper payments," these are payments that...
www.gao.gov www.gao.gov

The other thing, of course, is that morons and not intelligent people see $X in "fraud" and think, "oh, think about what we could do with that $X" as if anyone ever anywhere has reduced fraud to zero. If there's $X in fraud, then chances are the best you could do by stepping up enforcement would be X/10, and that's highly optimistic. Agencies have been going after fraud for years.

But then again, what would GOP leadership know about that? It's not as if one of the Senators from Florida ever touched Medicaid fraud, right? Right? Oh. Maybe they should put Rick Scott on the case. He knows a lot about Medicaid fraud.
 
superrific said:
As usual, the clown has no idea what he's talking about. It's $100B in "improper payments" -- which is defined to mean payments that were not correct when made. Some of them are overpayments and some are underpayments. In this figure, those don't cancel out, because they are measuring the total number of improper payments, not looking for a budgetary impact.

Here's a link.

www.gao.gov

Medicare and Medicaid: Additional Actions Needed to Enhance Program Integrity and Save Billions

Both Medicare and Medicaid are susceptible to payment errors—over $100 billion worth in 2023. Known as "improper payments," these are payments that...
www.gao.gov www.gao.gov

The other thing, of course, is that morons and not intelligent people see $X in "fraud" and think, "oh, think about what we could do with that $X" as if anyone ever anywhere has reduced fraud to zero. If there's $X in fraud, then chances are the best you could do by stepping up enforcement would be X/10, and that's highly optimistic. Agencies have been going after fraud for years.

But then again, what would GOP leadership know about that? It's not as if one of the Senators from Florida ever touched Medicaid fraud, right? Right? Oh. Maybe they should put Rick Scott on the case. He knows a lot about Medicaid fraud.
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Set a thief...
 
gtyellowjacket said:
I mentioned that I hoped he wasn't fired. I believe you maybe confused me with WMheel who wanted to see me fired... Or perhaps yourself imagining what it would be like for me to br fired.
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No, you want tens of thousands of people fired. You just somehow think it's worse that I'm willing to direct it at someone personally versus you taking away their humanity simply because they work for the government.
 
gtyellowjacket said:
Got to go for the rest of the day guys. Have fun railing against Doge and anyone that supports it. Feel free to assign any position you want to me and then chastise me for it with other folks that agree with you if that's your thing.
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You have got to get over this passive aggressive victimization phase you are going through. It weakens whatever argument you are trying to make at the time and, quite frankly, is beneath you.
 
superrific said:
No, you made it up. What you quoted is not an estimate of fraud.
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There really isn’t any way to estimate fraud. The only way to find specific examples of fraud is through the audit function. Once fraud has been found, then it can be addressed. Now auditing is not sexy, and it is time consuming, but it’s the only way to actually find fraud.
 
Patb78 said:
There really isn’t any way to estimate fraud. The only way to find specific examples of fraud is through the audit function. Once fraud has been found, then it can be addressed. Now auditing is not sexy, and it is time consuming, but it’s the only way to actually find fraud.
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And pretty much 100% of Americans are in agreement to address when actual fraud is uncovered.

I'm not sure how indiscriminately firing people will help with fraud. Seems like less oversight caused by fewer employees would lead to increased fraud.
 
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Patb78 said:
There really isn’t any way to estimate fraud. The only way to find specific examples of fraud is through the audit function. Once fraud has been found, then it can be addressed. Now auditing is not sexy, and it is time consuming, but it’s the only way to actually find fraud.
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And the not sexy , tedious auditing function is not what DoGe is doing.
 
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