Trump Admin dismantling Dept. of Education — mass firings underway

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It's already been shown that DOGE's claims of finding fraud had been grossly exaggerated in some agencies and simply false in others. There are articles showing that DOGE has already had to go back on many of their claims, including ridiculously inflated claims as to how much taxpayer money they're saving. And not only that, they have also literally fired people who are so vital in some agencies - like nuclear weapons inspectors - that they've had to go back and try to rehire them, but in some cases had not even gotten the email addresses or phone numbers of the people they'd fired and so had to do a frantic search to even find them. This has all been a massive clusterf*** from top to bottom and will no doubt be recorded by history as such.

And there is not nearly enough fraud or scams in the government to even begin to pay for all of the massive cuts that Republicans and Project 2025 want to make. At a minimum they're going to have to slash Medicaid, and likely cut or try to privatize Medicare or Social Security too. And I'm sure that when that happens our usual suspects will be here telling us that this is all perfectly normal, that Democrats are somehow just as bad, and that Medicaid and/or Medicare and/or Social Security all needed to be cut or privatized, despite their assurances on this board during the campaign that this would all never happen.
 
sringwal said:
You have got to get over this passive aggressive victimization phase you are going through. It weakens whatever argument you are trying to make at the time and, quite frankly, is beneath you.
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  1. It’s not beneath him.
  2. Each response to him is a win for him.
 
Bobfripp said:
Auditing? Heck, just think with your gut to find fraud. DOGE finds it instantly that way. Very convenient.
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I seriously doubt whether the mostly college-age hackers and tech nerds being employed by DOGE and Musk would even know how to do a proper government audit. And that's almost certainly deliberate - Musk, Trump, and Company doesn't want things done in the proper and accurate way. It's easier to just randomly fire huge numbers of government workers, falsely claim vast savings, and spin the rubes on the need for even greater cuts in essential services while they milk the government for their own profit.
 
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sringwal said:
You have got to get over this passive aggressive victimization phase you are going through. It weakens whatever argument you are trying to make at the time and, quite frankly, is beneath you.
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Really? You've read these comments from some of these folks. Is it victimization to say they can do whatever they want? I'm really not following you.

Honestly a lot of them should be ashamed of themselves acting like that... but they'll probably revel in me even mentioning it. No worries. I certainly prefer to discuss it with people that don't act like children but me throwing the insults back at them is just going to encourage them and lower me.
 
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UNCatTech said:
Hey GT, I found some waste that can easily be cut to save our tax dollars.


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Trump Golf Weekends’ Cost To Taxpayers Hits $18.2 Million

Donald Trump has played golf at his own courses in Florida on six of the seven weekends since his second term began.
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Do you feel like he shouldn't be able to leave the White House because he's a president or do you think we shouldn't spend that money after two assassination attempts? I think it sucks and I think it's expensive and I think it's something we have to spend money on because there are nuts out there. And there are a few on here that sympathize with those assassins and even encourage them.
 
Patb78 said:
There really isn’t any way to estimate fraud. The only way to find specific examples of fraud is through the audit function. Once fraud has been found, then it can be addressed. Now auditing is not sexy, and it is time consuming, but it’s the only way to actually find fraud.
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I think there's a big difference between estimating fraud and finding specific examples of fraud. It's not impossible to estimate fraud. It's functionally impossible to accurately estimate it down to the penny but I certainly think we can estimate it as large enough to devote more resources to improving the systems and investigating the frauds.

Of course Doge laid some of those investigators off which was a mistake but investigators within HHS could do the same thing if that's politically tenable.
 
gtyellowjacket said:
Do you feel like he shouldn't be able to leave the White House because he's a president or do you think we shouldn't spend that money after two assassination attempts? I think it sucks and I think it's expensive and I think it's something we have to spend money on because there are nuts out there. And there are a few on here that sympathize with those assassins and even encourage them.
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He should have a budget for non-business outings approved by congress. Anything beyond that and it comes out of his pocket.
 
hedge said:
Are there no golf courses in the DC area that would suffice? Does he really have to fly Airforce One and another transport carrier with his motorcade in it to play a round of golf? Maybe occasionally but every weekend?
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There’s Trump National in Sterling, VA….it’s just upstream from Great Falls.

It’s less than 250 miles by air from DC to Bedminster, NJ. Marine One’s range is 500-600 miles.
 
gtyellowjacket said:
I think there's a big difference between estimating fraud and finding specific examples of fraud. It's not impossible to estimate fraud. It's functionally impossible to accurately estimate it down to the penny but I certainly think we can estimate it as large enough to devote more resources to improving the systems and investigating the frauds.

Of course Doge laid some of those investigators off which was a mistake but investigators within HHS could do the same thing if that's politically tenable.
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Any estimate would be a wild ass guess without doing a sample audit. You could audit say 5% of the vendors for an agency and then you could project from that. But even that estimate is useless when it comes to finding fraud. You have to pin down vendors who are committing fraud. Trust me, no one can sit at a desk and just come up with a number that has any chance of being right.
 
When Mcroy came in his crowd was positive there was massive fraud-going to Dems. So they Really ramped up Auditing-at for Ex DHHS where I was. Completely transfomed, upgraded. the audit function
Last I looked their multimillion dollar audit work had found some questionable time sheets by $30 an hour employees at one little outpost
There was no "massive fraud" to be found
 
mpaer said:
When Mcroy came in his crowd was positive there was massive fraud-going to Dems. So they Really ramped up Auditing-at for Ex DHHS where I was. Completely transfomed, upgraded. the audit function
Last I looked their multimillion dollar audit work had found some questionable time sheets by $30 an hour employees at one little outpost
There was no "massive fraud" to be found
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Your example proves why the only way to address potential fraud is by the audit function. Great example. There is no doubt there are dishonest vendors who ripoff the government; and they need to be found out and prevented from doing business with the government and/or fined. I’ve seen examples. However, to just come in with a chainsaw and start massive indiscriminate cuts will cause way more harm than good. You will hurt people who are entitled to services the agency pays for and innocent vendors.
 
Patb78 said:
Your example proves why the only way to address potential fraud is by the audit function. Great example. There is no doubt there are dishonest vendors who ripoff the government; and they need to be found out and prevented from doing business with the government and/or fined. I’ve seen examples. However, to just come in with a chainsaw and start massive indiscriminate cuts will cause way more harm than good. You will hurt people who are entitled to services the agency pays for and innocent vendors.
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Like IRS audits of Multibillion dollar multi-national companies
Oh Yea-that division was just basically eliminated
 
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U.S. Department of Education’s Office for Civil Rights Sends Letters to 60 Universities Under Investigation for Antisemitic Discrimination and Harassment

The Office for Civil Rights today sent letters to 60 institutions of higher education warning them of potential enforcement actions if they do not fulfill their obligations under Title VI of the Civil Rights Act to protect Jewish students on campus.
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U.S. Department of Education’s Office for Civil Rights Sends Letters to 60 Universities Under Investigation for Antisemitic Discrimination and Harassment​

Letters warn of potential enforcement actions if institutions do not fulfill their obligations under Title VI of the Civil Rights Act to protect Jewish students on campus.
March 10, 2025
WASHINGTON – Today, the U.S. Department of Education’s Office for Civil Rights (OCR) sent letters to 60 institutions of higher education warning them of potential enforcement actions if they do not fulfill their obligations under Title VI of the Civil Rights Act to protect Jewish students on campus, including uninterrupted access to campus facilities and educational opportunities. The letters are addressed to all U.S. universities that are presently under investigation for Title VI violations relating to antisemitic harassment and discrimination.

“The Department is deeply disappointed that Jewish students studying on elite U.S. campuses continue to fear for their safety amid the relentless antisemitic eruptions that have severely disrupted campus life for more than a year. University leaders must do better,” said Secretary of Education Linda McMahon. “U.S. colleges and universities benefit from enormous public investments funded by U.S. taxpayers. That support is a privilege and it is contingent on scrupulous adherence to federal antidiscrimination laws.”

The schools that received letters from the Office for Civil Rights include:

  1. American University
  2. Arizona State University
  3. Boston University
  4. Brown University
  5. California State University, Sacramento
  6. Chapman University
  7. Columbia University
  8. Cornell University
  9. Drexel University
  10. Eastern Washington University
  11. Emerson College
  12. George Mason University
  13. Harvard University
  14. Illinois Wesleyan University
  15. Indiana University, Bloomington
  16. Johns Hopkins University
  17. Lafayette College
  18. Lehigh University
  19. Middlebury College
  20. Muhlenberg College
  21. Northwestern University
  22. Ohio State University
  23. Pacific Lutheran University
  24. Pomona College
  25. Portland State University
  26. Princeton University
  27. Rutgers University
  28. Rutgers University-Newark
  29. Santa Monica College
  30. Sarah Lawrence College
  31. Stanford University
  32. State University of New York Binghamton
  33. State University of New York Rockland
  34. State University of New York, Purchase
  35. Swarthmore College
  36. Temple University
  37. The New School
  38. Tufts University
  39. Tulane University
  40. Union College
  41. University of California Davis
  42. University of California San Diego
  43. University of California Santa Barbara
  44. University of California, Berkeley
  45. University of Cincinnati
  46. University of Hawaii at Manoa
  47. University of Massachusetts Amherst
  48. University of Michigan
  49. University of Minnesota, Twin Cities
  50. University of North Carolina
  51. University of South Florida
  52. University of Southern California
  53. University of Tampa
  54. University of Tennessee
  55. University of Virginia
  56. University of Washington-Seattle
  57. University of Wisconsin, Madison
  58. Wellesley College
  59. Whitman College
  60. Yale University
Background:

The Department’s OCR sent these letters under its authority to enforce Title VI of the Civil Rights Act (1964), which prohibits any institution that receives federal funds from discriminating on the basis of race, color, and national origin. National origin includes shared (Jewish) ancestry.

Pursuant to Title VI and in furtherance of President Trump’s Executive Order “Additional Measures to Combat Antisemitism,” the Department launched directed investigations into five universities where widespread antisemitic harassment has been reported. The 55 additional universities are under investigation or monitoring in response to complaints filed with OCR. Last week, the Department, alongside fellow members of the Joint Task Force to Combat Antisemitism including the Department of Justice, the Department of Health and Human Services, and the U.S. General Services Administration, announced the immediate cancelation of $400 million in federal grants and contracts to Columbia University due to the school’s continued inaction to protect Jewish students from discrimination. Last Friday, OCR directed its enforcement staff to make resolving the backlog of complaints alleging antisemitic violence and harassment, many which were allowed to languish unresolved under the previous administration, an immediate priority.
 
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