Trump Admin dismantling Dept. of Education — mass firings underway

[mpaer]

How did UCLA avoid this list? They had some of the worst violence and are actually being sued in federal court (by both Palestinian groups and Jewish groups).

I assumme they have a big trump donor?

 

[superrific]

I think it's going to be a little closer than a wild ass guess. There's a lot of data points. If some random small sample is proven to have say 1.5% fraud and another random sample has a similar amount and another random sample has a similar amount, you can start to extend that over the whole data set and make a pretty decent estimate.

Didn't you say you were in data science? LOL. Take a stats course.

 

[gtyellowjacket]

The larger the sample size the closer you get to the actual number. But once again, fraud as to be addressed on a case by case basis. The thing to do is not cut funding by 1.5% to use your number above. You have to find the vendors who are actually committing fraud. Otherwise, they won’t be found out and they’ll just keep right on their merry way of ripping off the government. And, at the same time, you will be hurting clients and honest vendors.

I agree with that. I don't believe that is the Doge methodology at this point. While they are railing against fraud to build support for the program, I believe the cuts are mostly based on political preferences and administrative waste so far.

 

[Bobfripp]

the cuts are mostly based on political preferences and administrative waste so far.

The cuts are based mostly on Trump's personal grievances and little else.

 

[gtyellowjacket]

The cuts are based mostly on Trump's personal grievances and little else.

I don't that that's really accurate if you look at the cuts. I know Trump's preferences certainly play a significant part in some things that are cut, but what did a social security office in Franklin, NC do to harm Trump? A US postal vehicle maintenance facility in Raleigh?

 

[Bobfripp]

I don't that that's really accurate if you look at the cuts. I know Trump's preferences certainly play a significant part in some things that are cut, but what did a social security office in Franklin, NC do to harm Trump? A US postal vehicle maintenance facility in Raleigh?

I doubt if Trump is micromanaging these cuts - he's way too lazy for that - but he trusts his loyal MAGA politicians, and their grievances are his grievances.

 

[mpaer]

I don't that that's really accurate if you look at the cuts. I know Trump's preferences certainly play a significant part in some things that are cut, but what did a social security office in Franklin, NC do to harm Trump? A US postal vehicle maintenance facility in Raleigh?

Okay
Why does he allow Elon to do this ? It is on orangeturd

 

[Zoo_View]

Why do y’all engage with Yellowjacket?

 

[gtyellowjacket]

Okay
Why does he allow Elon to do this ? It is on orangeturd

Yes. The buck stops with Trump. I was simply pointing out its not all Trump's political whims. There is a significant element of cutting administrative overhead.

 

[finesse]

Element and pretense are not synonyms.

 

[zeuxis]

Yes. The buck stops with Trump. I was simply pointing out its not all Trump's political whims. There is a significant element of cutting administrative overhead.

None of this is about overhead or fraud, or even Trump's whims. It is a pre-planned campaign to break the federal government so that it cannot function, and then to use its brokenness as an excuse to fill in the services by privatizing the work. It is a purposeful, HUGE redistribution of wealth to the oligarchy, exactly like what has been done in Russia, Turkey, Hungary, and elsewhere.

 

[nycfan]

Trump is dismantling the Education Department. Here’s what it does​

Trump is dismantling the Education Department. Here's what it does

President Donald Trump has said he wants his new education chief, Linda McMahon, to “put herself out of a job” and close the Education Department.

apnews.com

“… Trump adviser Elon Musk’s Department of Government Efficiency has cut dozens of contracts it dismissed as “woke” and wasteful. It gutted the Institute of Education Sciences, which gathers data on the nation’s academic progress.

The agency’s main role is financial. Annually, it distributes billions in federal money to colleges and schools and manages the federal student loan portfolio. Closing the department would mean redistributing each of those duties to another agency. The Education Department also plays an important regulatory role in services for students, ranging from those with disabilities to low-income and homeless kids.

… The Education Department manages approximately $1.5 trillion in student loan debt for over 40 million borrowers. It also oversees the Pell Grant, which provides aid to students below a certain income threshold, and administers the Free Application for Federal Student Aid ( FAFSA ), which universities use to allocate financial aid.

…
Through its Office for Civil Rights, the Education Department conducts investigations and issues guidance on how civil rights laws should be applied, such as for LGBTQ+ students and students of color. The office also oversees a large data collection project that tracks disparities in resources, course access and discipline for students of different racial and socioeconomic groups.

Trump has suggested a different interpretation of the office’s civil rights role. Under his administration, the department has instructed the office to prioritize complaints of antisemitism above all else and has opened investigations into colleges and school sports leagues for allowing transgender athletes to compete on women’s teams.

… While the Education Department does not directly accredit colleges and universities, it oversees the system by reviewing all federally recognized accrediting agencies. Institutions of higher education must be accredited to gain access to federal money for student financial aid.

…
Much of the Education Department’s money for K-12 schools goes through large federal programs, such as Title I for low-income schools and the Individuals with Disabilities Education Act. Those programs support services for students with disabilities, lower class sizes with additional teaching positions, and pay for social workers and other non-teaching roles in schools.

During his campaign, Trump called for shifting those functions to the states. He has not offered details on how the agency’s core functions of sending federal money to local districts and schools would be handled. …”

 

[nycfan]

 

[ZenMode]

I think that sort of analysis will lead to zero cuts which is what led to the bloat. I don't think that's great either.

I have no faith in the government's desire to self-regulate to "right size" itself.

 

[ChileG]

I have no faith in the government's desire to self-regulate to "right size" itself.

Why, they did it in the late 90s?

 

[gtyellowjacket]

Why, they did it in the late 90s?

I was interested so I looked it up. I think the big difference is Clinton worked with an unfriendly Congress to get the budget cut. Congress wanted some cuts, Clinton wanted others and they had to make compromises to make it work.

Some of the other big differences were that the Clinton effort was a much slower and well thought out effort. Clinton's was also much bigger so far. Mostly through buyouts and hiring freezes, Clinton cut about four times as many federal employees as Doge has so far.

I definitely think the Clinton method is the way to go but no one has come close to duplicating it since. Maybe times have changed. It's amazing to me that Clinton got as much done as he did with a hostile GOP in charge of Congress. Trump has the House and the Senate although doesn't have enough to override a filibuster.

 

[superrific]

I was interested so I looked it up. I think the big difference is Clinton worked with an unfriendly Congress to get the budget cut. Congress wanted some cuts, Clinton wanted others and they had to make compromises to make it work.

Some of the other big differences were that the Clinton effort was a much slower and well thought out effort. Clinton's was also much bigger so far. Mostly through buyouts and hiring freezes, Clinton cut about four times as many federal employees as Doge has so far.

I definitely think the Clinton method is the way to go but no one has come close to duplicating it since. Maybe times have changed. It's amazing to me that Clinton got as much done as he did with a hostile GOP in charge of Congress. Trump has the House and the Senate although doesn't have enough to override a filibuster.

The Federal Workforce Restructuring Act was signed in 1993.

 

[Duke Mu]

I was interested so I looked it up. I think the big difference is Clinton worked with an unfriendly Congress to get the budget cut. Congress wanted some cuts, Clinton wanted others and they had to make compromises to make it work.

Some of the other big differences were that the Clinton effort was a much slower and well thought out effort. Clinton's was also much bigger so far. Mostly through buyouts and hiring freezes, Clinton cut about four times as many federal employees as Doge has so far.

I definitely think the Clinton method is the way to go but no one has come close to duplicating it since. Maybe times have changed. It's amazing to me that Clinton got as much done as he did with a hostile GOP in charge of Congress. Trump has the House and the Senate although doesn't have enough to override a filibuster.

Also, Gore went carefully through all the Departments to maximize efficiency without breaking the law and trashing Article I of the US Constitution.

 

[superrific]

Also, Gore went carefully through all the Departments to maximize efficiency without breaking the law and trashing Article I of the US Constitution.

And Congress implemented it via legislation.

 

[ChileG]

I was interested so I looked it up. I think the big difference is Clinton worked with an unfriendly Congress to get the budget cut. Congress wanted some cuts, Clinton wanted others and they had to make compromises to make it work.

Some of the other big differences were that the Clinton effort was a much slower and well thought out effort. Clinton's was also much bigger so far. Mostly through buyouts and hiring freezes, Clinton cut about four times as many federal employees as Doge has so far.

I definitely think the Clinton method is the way to go but no one has come close to duplicating it since. Maybe times have changed. It's amazing to me that Clinton got as much done as he did with a hostile GOP in charge of Congress. Trump has the House and the Senate although doesn't have enough to override a filibuster.

Agreed, we need a well-functioning government where the parties can work together to get things done that everyone really wants, and do it in a way that makes sense. I hope we can get to that place one day.