Trump Admin dismantling Dept. of Education — mass firings underway

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BlueSteel said:
How is none of this setting off major alarms within both parties? I guaran-cotdamn-tee you if this was a Dem thing, the 25th would be invoked by now. What the actual phuck.
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Probably because anyone can look and see where the current system has gotten us. Exactly how much de we spend per student in this county? How does number that compare to what the rest of the world spends? And where exactly does this country rank in the world with regards student performance?

Look up those answers and it might enlighten you as to why the country isn't in full meltdown about replacing the current system.
 
PandemicBlue said:
Probably because anyone can look and see where the current system has gotten us. Exactly how much de we spend per student in this county? How does number that compare to what the rest of the world spends? And where exactly does this country rank in the world with regards student performance?

Look up those answers and it might enlighten you as to why the country isn't in full meltdown about replacing the current system.
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You're making the assertion. You provide the numbers to support what you're trying to sell. I don't think you have them.
 
The US spends more than pretty much all of our peer countries with the exception of Luxembourg which really blows it out of the water.

We spend about 10% more than the UK on primary education and 20% more on secondary and tertiary education. The tertiary spend may be misleading as it does include r&d spent which I would assume the US that's quite a bit more than other countries but don't really know.

www.statista.com

OECD: expenditure per student on education 2020 | Statista

Out of the OECD countries, Luxembourg was the country that spent the most on educational institutions per full-time student in 2020.
www.statista.com www.statista.com

Not sure how that compares to results.
 
PandemicBlue said:
Probably because anyone can look and see where the current system has gotten us. Exactly how much de we spend per student in this county? How does number that compare to what the rest of the world spends? And where exactly does this country rank in the world with regards student performance?

Look up those answers and it might enlighten you as to why the country isn't in full meltdown about replacing the current system.
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The problem with the current system isn't the federal government. It's the states. Your team wants to "return" control to the very entities that are responsible for American education being sucky.

This isn't hard to grasp. Just look at which states ALWAYS lag behind the rest of the country. If it was a Dept of Ed problem, then Alabama and Mississippi and Florida and SC wouldn't be in the bottom 10 year after year. There's a little fluctuation year by year, but as long as I've been alive, the worst public school systems are always a) in the south; b) red states; c) in areas with high levels of racial animus; and d) high proportion of evangelicals. The one exception is that West Virginia is only fairly recently a red state, and it's been terrible for a long time.

Anyway, the reason for this, of course, is that those states aren't really interested in creating good public schools. Just look at the superintendent in Oklahoma. These states are not primarily concerned with test scores or academic achievement levels; they are interested in putting religion in schools and taking history out. These are the places that were fighting for a long time to teach creationism, and then when that failed, they changed it to "intelligent design."

These states pay teachers badly, and they do not have highly regarded university systems. Smart kids in North Carolina have a flagship university to attend, so they don't have to leave the state. University of Alabama ain't University of North Carolina. Smart kids in Alabama are well advised to leave the state for college, and anyway, why would good teachers want to stay in Alabama? Not everyone leaves, of course.

When I was a kid, I lived in LA until age 7, when my parents moved to NC. They put me in the public school at age 7, in second grade. The teacher, realizing I was very advanced and working a few grade levels above my age, would have me teach lessons in class while she "put her head down" on her desk. I have one acute memory of sitting on a chair with students pulling chairs around me (the desks were non-functional), trying to teach the kids the lesson of the day, how to tell time. I was a white kid, new to town, in a class that was 75% black kids, who were of course assigned to that teacher because everyone knew she was terrible. I got thrown in that class because we moved mid-year. Anyway, it went about as well as you'd expect that to go -- by the end of the "lesson" it turned out the time was "time for you to sit" or something like that.

Which brings us to the next feature of these poorly performing states: they underfund their public schools because they don't want black kids to get good educations. This process has been extensively documented. Public school systems left to suffer, middle or upper class white kids go to private school, and nobody really cares about the quality of the schools.

To the extent that the schools systems in these areas are functional, it's because of the Department of Education.

Returning all control to the states will simply recreate the conditions that led to the abysmal public school systems in the southern states, and the result will be predictable.
 
superrific said:
Returning all control to the states will simply recreate the conditions that led to the abysmal public school systems in the southern states, and the result will be predictable.
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I have zero doubt that "turning the money over to NC" would end up pouring it into Charters, Catholic Schools, Baptist white kid schools etc
 
mpaer said:
I have zero doubt that "turning the money over to NC" would end up pouring it into Charters, Catholic Schools, Baptist white kid schools etc
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Well, it certainly will if the GOP gets its hand on the superintendent position -- but the legislature obviously can do a lot of damage. I would also imagine that the degradation of textbook quality in the south would accelerate. More removals of Cesar Chavez figures, and more inclusions of Sean Hannity figures (to take one actual, real life proposed curriculum change in Texas, IIRC -- don't remember if it went through or not).

Generally speaking, the idea that the states spend money better than the feds is risible, with the possible exception of the highest performing states.
 
ZenMode said:
Any handing out of money that is truly necessary can be handled by another department. One has been mentioned, but I don't recall the name.
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Always a "Why don't you just . . ." guy. Doesn't know what the Department of Education does; has zero experience with it; knows precisely how to fix it and knows that it's not necessary.
 
superrific said:
Always a "Why don't you just . . ." guy. Doesn't know what the Department of Education does; has zero experience with it; knows precisely how to fix it and knows that it's not necessary.
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I mean, I got the details of what it does from their site, so I have some idea what they do.

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sringwal said:
"Handing out money" isn't the sole purpose of the Department of Education

If you would like to know more, read this before the information gets removed.

www.ed.gov

An Overview of the Department of Education

Information about the U.S. Department of Education's mission, organization, and strategic plans.
www.ed.gov www.ed.gov

This is a decent overview as well:

www.theguardian.com

What is the US Department of Education and what does it do?

Donald Trump signed an executive order to undo the federal department on Thursday
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
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From the Ed.gov site, the role that DoEd has as it relates to students:

1. The Department of Education—
establishes policies relating to federal financial aid for education...
 
Centerpiece said:
What about the Carl Perkins Act? Who’s going to manage that?
It was just re-upped in 2018, under Trump’s first merry-go-round.

Perkins is some serious pot o’ money. All of that goes to all the middle and high schools for all kinds of hands on learning: shop class, home Ec., Robotics, Carpentry, Masonry, welding, nursing, business classes, computer classes, auto mechanics, drafting, mechatronics, electronics, Culinary Arts, Fashion design, Interior Design, internships, apprenticeships, etc. . The list of very important classes that teach real-world skills hangs in the balance of Perkins.

Bubba-Maga loves him some of those classes. They’re the only reason he stayed in school

Is trump going to steal that money and let those classes die on the vine?
Fuck Trump!
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Many years ago a friend who taught social science in a county down east sonehow ended up teaching an industrial arts class even though he was not the most "handy" guy. That first semester turned him on to how the many "bad" kids really got off on this stuff. Won't go into detail but he ended up in charge of the county's industrial arts programs. Fought hard for funds, etc. Said a good third if not more of the kids in high school should and would have taken more courses if there was the opportunity.
 
PandemicBlue said:
Probably because anyone can look and see where the current system has gotten us. Exactly how much de we spend per student in this county? How does number that compare to what the rest of the world spends? And where exactly does this country rank in the world with regards student performance?

Look up those answers and it might enlighten you as to why the country isn't in full meltdown about replacing the current system.
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Dude, you are SO fucking weird. Please put me on super ignore so you won’t respond to any of my posts. I literally hear creepy horror-flic background music when I read your posts. Just, ew. Stop.
 
BlueSteel said:
Dude, you are SO fucking weird. Please put me on super ignore so you won’t respond to any of my posts. I literally hear creepy horror-flic background music when I read your posts. Just, ew. Stop.
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Yet another case of blue on blue crime not reported by the mainstream media.
 
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