Trump Admin dismantling Dept. of Education — mass firings underway

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What about the Carl Perkins Act? Who’s going to manage that?
It was just re-upped in 2018, under Trump’s first merry-go-round.

Perkins is some serious pot o’ money. All of that goes to all the middle and high schools for all kinds of hands on learning: shop class, home Ec., Robotics, Carpentry, Masonry, welding, nursing, business classes, computer classes, auto mechanics, drafting, mechatronics, electronics, Culinary Arts, Fashion design, Interior Design, internships, apprenticeships, etc. . The list of very important classes that teach real-world skills hangs in the balance of Perkins.

Bubba-Maga loves him some of those classes. They’re the only reason he stayed in school

Is trump going to steal that money and let those classes die on the vine?
Fuck Trump!
 
So now the measure of effectiveness is head count? I would have thought the 200,000 employee number would be catnip for some sort of efficiency operation.

Seems to me that the DOE, with its 1500 employees managing 1.6T in assets, is doing an amazing job delivering strong returns.
1,500 plus how many contracted employees?
 
What's the photoshop - the one of the potbellied guy with a USA flag undershirt holding a beer saying "And I told that teachin' lady that the only letters I needed to know were U, S, and A!" A big part of Trumpism is that it's a war on "educated elites" - the professional classes. So from their perspective shutting it down makes perfect sense. They really do seem to believe now that getting your information off the dark corners of the web makes you just as much of an expert on a topic or problem as someone with a grad or undergrad degree whose entire career has been in that field. It's in part a movement of opinionated blowhards who think they know everything about every topic, with Rush Limbaugh being a classic prototype.
in the words of the great Billy Joe Shaver...

I've been to Georgia on a fast train, honey
I wasn't born no yesterday
I got a good Christian raisin' and an eighth grade education
And ain't no need in y'all a treatin' me this way
 
1,500 plus how many contracted employees?
The U.S. Department of Education had around 4,133 employees in January 2025, and after a reduction in force, it is expected to have around 2,183 staff members.

The 4133 probably includes every job, full time. PT and contractors.
 
in the words of the great Billy Joe Shaver...

I've been to Georgia on a fast train, honey
I wasn't born no yesterday
I got a good Christian raisin' and an eighth grade education
And ain't no need in y'all a treatin' me this way
Another song which should find it’s way to the music page
 
That's a joke, right ? Please tell me that's a joke:unsure:
Unless proven otherwise, it's probably true.

it's easier to just assume the dumb, stupid, and shity things quoted and posted by people and attributed to our presidont and his nazi handler are true
 
Unless proven otherwise, it's probably true.

it's easier to just assume the dumb, stupid, and shity things quoted and posted by people and attributed to our presidont and his nazi handler are true
That is certainly ZenMode’s methodology in posting the slew of misinformation he litters this board with. Then when shown to be wrong (and why y’all bother with it is still a mystery to me) he just say “I’ll take your word for it.”
 
Other than student loan management, is there any reason to believe that the DoEd is actually improving education in the US?
It's difficult until we have separation of church and state in education also. We need less focus on ancient myths about history and religion and fewer impediments to real science, civics and respect for research and verified information.
 
How are kids with disabilities treated now compared to 40 years ago? I'm pretty sure you don't care about the answer to that question but it does answer your original query.
A lot of perceptions have changed over 40 years. I'm sure things have improved for kids with disabilities, but how much of it is due to the DoEd handing out money? Do we believe states would completely drop the ball, today, with disabled kids without the DoEd?

The DoEd doesn't (can't) do anything about what is taught in schools or how well things are taught in schools. They hand out money for various things including student loans.

I'm not saying they do nothing, but do they need to exist as a separate department to handout money and manage student loans? I guess I just don't see what is so critical about what they do that makes the potential closure so distressing.
 
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"Handing out money" isn't the sole purpose of the Department of Education

If you would like to know more, read this before the information gets removed.


This is a decent overview as well:

 
"Handing out money" isn't the sole purpose of the Department of Education

If you would like to know more, read this before the information gets removed.


This is a decent overview as well:

From the Ed.gov site, the role that DoEd has as it relates to students:

1. The Department of Education—
establishes policies relating to federal financial aid for education, administers distribution of those funds and monitors their use.
Like most federal activities, Department of Education programs must first be authorized by Congress through legislation that is signed into law by the president. The Department then develops regulations that determine exactly how a program will be operated. These regulations are published in the Federal Register for public comment and reviewed by Congress. Congress must also vote to appropriate the money that each program will receive annually.

The Department distributes financial aid to eligible applicants throughout the nation for early childhood, elementary, secondary and postsecondary education programs. Federal programs benefit all students, and special programs exist to serve individuals with disabilities, those who live in poverty, American Indians, immigrants and those with limited English proficiency. Federal funds for education are distributed using three methods: a set formula, competition and financial need determination.

By formula: Some programs follow a formula prescribed in the bill approved by Congress authorizing a program. Such a program might be set up so that qualified agencies receive an amount of money that is determined by the number of students meeting certain criteria in that state or school district. For example, under the Individuals with Disabilities Education Act, the Department allocates money to the states to help them provide a free, appropriate public education for children with disabilities based on the number of children reported by each state as having special developmental or educational needs.

By competition: Federal money also is awarded on the merit of competitive applications. Applicants are ranked in order of merit and the most qualified applications are awarded funds. Those eligible for such funding include state and local education agencies or school districts; education partnerships (programs jointly sponsored by education institutions and the private sector); colleges and universities; individual researchers; and community-based organizations such as nonprofit agencies.

By financial need determination: The third basis on which federal money is awarded is financial need. For example, postsecondary students applying for grants, loans and fellowships must prove family financial need according to established guidelines.

Any handing out of money that is truly necessary can be handled by another department. One has been mentioned, but I don't recall the name.

2. The Department of Education—
collects data and oversees research on America's schools and disseminates this information to Congress, educators and the general public.
The Department oversees research on most aspects of education; collects data on trends; and gathers information to help identify best practices in education, including teaching techniques that work. Employees of the Department, as well as contractors and grant recipients, carry out the research.

Research findings and statistics are disseminated to educators, policymakers, parents, researchers and the general public in the form of reports and publications—both printed and online. Recent publications have covered the latest national assessments of educational progress in a variety of subject areas, innovations in education, the condition of education in America, annual reports on a variety of federal education programs, how to improve mathematics education and many other pertinent education topics. In a typical year, the Department publishes hundreds of publications and millions of copies to meet the public's demand for information.

3. The Department of Education—
identifies the major issues and problems in education and focuses national attention on them.
The Department makes recommendations for education reform. The secretary advises the president in this regard and leads the Department in implementing the president's education policies in many arenas—from the preparation of legislative proposals for Congress to decisions about education research priorities. Of vital importance in formulating and implementing policies is the Department's close work with a variety of advisory groups and organizations composed of citizens from all walks of life who have an interest and expertise in education and who provide significant ideas on key policies and programs.

In addition, the secretary brings national attention to education issues by giving speeches, writing articles for publication, addressing the media and making personal appearances in schools and other education settings. The Department further highlights education issues by sponsoring and participating in national conferences and other similar activities, such as the Blue Ribbon Schools and Presidential Scholars award programs, the Teaching Ambassador Fellows Program, the Student Art Exhibit Program, and special events and ceremonies to honor teachers or students.

Neither 2 or 3 (collecting and analyzing data) seems to be that critical, particularly given that, again, the DoEd can not dictate curriculum or anything related to the actual education of students. Schools, school districts, etc already analyze their own data.

4. The Department of Education—
enforces federal statutes prohibiting discrimination in programs and activities receiving federal funds and ensures equal access to education for every individual.
The Department enforces five civil rights statutes to ensure equal educational opportunity for all students, regardless of race, color, national origin, sex, disability or age.

We already have a department responsible for ensuring civil rights aren't violated.
 
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