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Not sure if it was this thread but i mentioned before that trump might not be a felon yet, technically
I asked ChatGPT this question:

is trump a felon before sentencing

No, a person is not considered a felon unless they have been convicted of a felony and sentenced for that conviction. In the case of Donald Trump or anyone else, if he has been convicted of a felony but has not yet been sentenced, he would be classified as a convicted felon after sentencing. Until sentencing occurs, the term "felon" is not typically applied, even after a conviction.
 
chrissteel said:
Not sure if it was this thread but i mentioned before that trump might not be a felon yet, technically
I asked ChatGPT this question:

is trump a felon before sentencing

No, a person is not considered a felon unless they have been convicted of a felony and sentenced for that conviction. In the case of Donald Trump or anyone else, if he has been convicted of a felony but has not yet been sentenced, he would be classified as a convicted felon after sentencing. Until sentencing occurs, the term "felon" is not typically applied, even after a conviction.
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Well, it looks like that technicality may be resolved on Friday, though who knows, maybe Aileen Cannon will discover she has jurisdiction in New York now, too (I kid).
 
chrissteel said:
Seems like someone on this board would have know that.
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I call him a felon b/c he was convicted of 34 felony counts. There is short-hand and whatever ChatGPT used for its response to your query. I disagree with the bot about when "felon" is typically applied conversationally and in reporting in my experience. I'm not sure it matters a whole lot.
 
No but when i asked the question i was shot down here, even tho i prefaced it will "technically" That was the question not conversationally
Of course it doesn't matter much but i was right apparently
 
chrissteel said:
Not sure if it was this thread but i mentioned before that trump might not be a felon yet, technically
I asked ChatGPT this question:

is trump a felon before sentencing

No, a person is not considered a felon unless they have been convicted of a felony and sentenced for that conviction. In the case of Donald Trump or anyone else, if he has been convicted of a felony but has not yet been sentenced, he would be classified as a convicted felon after sentencing. Until sentencing occurs, the term "felon" is not typically applied, even after a conviction.
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Wait, you're using a ChatGPT response, which could be relying on any underlying source, to answer this question, and then using it to suggest "someone on this board" should have known it? We don't know it because it's not true. I have no idea on what information ChatGPT was relying and you don't either. But I can assure you as a legal professional Trump is a felon whether or not he is ever sentenced, unless his convictions are somehow reversed or vacated. Sentencing has nothing to do with his status as a convicted felon.
 

lawtig02 said:
Wait, you're using a ChatGPT response, which could be relying on any underlying source, to answer this question, and then using it to suggest "someone on this board" should have known it? We don't know it because it's not true. I have no idea on what information ChatGPT was relying and you don't either. But I can assure you as a legal professional Trump is a felon whether or not he is ever sentenced, unless his convictions are somehow reversed or vacated. Sentencing has nothing to do with his status as a convicted felon.
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Except in determining certain rights (like right to vote) in some states -- so it does have some technical relevance but generally is not some great truism.
 
chrissteel said:
No but when i asked the question i was shot down here, even tho i prefaced it will "technically" That was the question not conversationally
Of course it doesn't matter much but i was right apparently
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"Technically" he's a convicted felon but not an adjudicated felon. The jury convicted him on 34 felony counts. The convictions can't be appealed until a final order with the sentence is entered. Given Trump's penchant for litigation and contempt for the legal system whenever he is held to account, an appeal is inevitable. "Justice delayed is justice denied".
 
OK so i phrased the question to chatgpt a little different and it gave a different answer. I stand corrected

While sentencing finalizes the legal consequences of the conviction, the individual is already deemed guilty of the felony crime upon conviction. For most purposes (e.g., ineligibility to vote in some states or restrictions on firearm ownership), the status of being a felon is triggered by the conviction itself.
 
Judge McBurney, of the Fulton County Superior Court, just ordered Fani Willis to pay Judicial Watch $21,500+ in attorneys fees in its ORA request lawsuit.
Things just keep going down and down for the DA in this matter. Do you think she'll pay the amount in cash?
 
chrissteel said:
No but when i asked the question i was shot down here, even tho i prefaced it will "technically" That was the question not conversationally
Of course it doesn't matter much but i was right apparently
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It's been raised before and answered before. One thing to appreciate about message boards is that there are a lot of users who generate a lot of content. I understand why you ask the question, given that you might not know that it's been asked and answered. At the same time, please have respect for those from whom you seek answers. It's not fun for us to address the same points over and over again.

ChatGPT is not going to give you the right answer. I just asked it, and it did not. The correct answer is that "felon" is not a legal term. I'm not aware of any statute or regulation that refers to people in that manner. Statutes will typically use language like, "persons convicted of a felony offense" or "persons convicted of a crime for which the penalty can exceed one year of jail time."

In other words, "felon" is a term of ordinary language and it can be defined accordingly. The common usage is to refer to anyone who has been convicted of a felony.
 
Ramrouser said:
Judge McBurney, of the Fulton County Superior Court, just ordered Fani Willis to pay Judicial Watch $21,500+ in attorneys fees in its ORA request lawsuit.
Things just keep going down and down for the DA in this matter. Do you think she'll pay the amount in cash?
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Does that make you feel better? Your friend is still guilty, whether or not he is brought to justice. And you're still as ignorant as you were this morning.
 
superrific said:
Does that make you feel better? Your friend is still guilty, whether or not he is brought to justice. And you're still as ignorant as you were this morning.
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Yes it does. This is a thread about Trump's criminal and civil cases so it's relevant to this discussion. You're just tired of all the MAGA winning and the death and utter disgrace of lawfare; hence, the personal insults.
 
Ramrouser said:
Yes it does. This is a thread about Trump's criminal and civil cases so it's relevant to this discussion. You're just tired of all the MAGA winning and the death and utter disgrace of lawfare; hence, the personal insults.
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I am tired of the MAGA winning, that is true, though not for the reason you think. The "insults" follow directly from your own words. For instance, you keep using this word "lawfare" without having the slightest idea what it means. In fact, the vast majority of what you post is inaccurate.

What you don't understand about me -- and I think a lot of liberals -- is the value I place on principles. I don't hate MAGA because of some personal grudge. I hate MAGA because of its lies, stupidity and venality. Those are just objectively true characterizations. It is also an objectively true characterization that Cuomo is a creep and thus I wouldn't support him, even though he's an innocent babe compared to the people you guys elect or appoint to government. That's because principles matter to me.

Truth also matters to me. Nobody knows the whole truth, and outside of scientific proofs or empirical data, there's usually some contest between different understandings of the world. For instance, some people view the world as a kingdom of God, and some people do not. Both views are valid and I have no issue with either one. But just because we can't always determine what IS true, we can readily determine many things that ARE NOT true. And most MAGA and Trump bullshit falls into that latter category.

It is a fact that tariffs are incident on Americans and not on foreign countries, as Trump would have you believe. It is a fact that trade barriers lower global standards of living. It is a fact that most if not all countries that have tried protectionist trade policies became poorer and less competitive for it. It is a fact that, while America can tariff the whole world, other countries will not be tariffing either other. That means that, after the retaliatiory tariffs are imposed, American exporters will be unable to compete on price. Their stuff will be much more expensive. Thus will manufacturing LEAVE American, so that it can compete globally.

You guys can win elections ad infinitum and it will not affect those truths at all. Trump's economic policies strongly resemble those of Argentinian leader Juan Peron, who wrecked Argentina's economy for generations. That is a fact. It is a prediction -- not fact -- that Trump's policies will have a similar effect here, but the similarities between the policies cannot be denied.

Likewise, climate change is real. More fossil fuel drilling is money being flushed down the toilet. Jan 6 was not actually a peaceful day. We all know why Ashli Babbitt was shot. These things are objective fact. Your buddy Ray did in fact enter a conspiracy to subvert an election. That is not altered by whatever foibles Fani might have authored. He did the deed. Fact.
 
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