Trump loses sexual offense appeal.

Callatoroy said:
I just wanted to make my position known on trump's most recent personal court ruling. I am equally as disgusted by his behavior as most of you were about clinton's long list of sexual misconduct. Whatever you felt then I feel now.
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Ramrouser said:
Everyone knows that Trump groped women in the past. A jury found that he did so. I'm not defending that behavior but he's far from the only politician or powerful man that has done so. I choose to take a broader view of Trump in that he's the most impactful President of the US since Reagan - maybe FDR and I agree with most of his policies. There's no evidence that he's a pedo. I will reiterate that there's a 100% certainty that the Biden Administration and/or the Deep State would have leaked ANY negative information on Trump that was in the Epstein files given the lengths taken to bring down the man. You can't make the jump from Trump groping grown women to his being a pedo. The stupid comment he made about Ivanka on Stern years ago is more reflective of the fact that Trump has a big mouth, liked to please Stern as a frequent guest and has NO FILTER vs. evidence of his being a pedo.

Dershowitz says he's seen the files as part of being involved in Epstein litigation and confirms there's nothing negative about Trump but can't speak further since he's bound by a confidentiality order.

Can we put down our partisan swords for one second to discuss the Epstein file? I'm in favor of releasing the full report but I acknowledge that there's a ton I don't know and I'm not privy to the big picture. My guess is that Trump was in favor of releasing the report otherwise there's no way Bondi announces in February that it's on her desk ready for release. Trump likes to please his base and MAGA wants to see it and is angry Trump won't release it. My guess is that Ratcliffe and the national security team convinced him that releasing the report would be harmful to the US. It's no secret that Epstein was likely working with the CIA and Mossad and the report likely has dirt on foreign leaders. Thus, it may not be in the US's interest to release sensitive material on foreign leaders. Also, there' s no question very powerful men may be implicated - Bill Gates, Clinton in particular. It may also be in the national interest not to soil the reputation of a past President. I'm not saying I agree but I can understand the argument.

Finally, don't connect any of Trump's conduct to my personal life or beliefs. If Trump or anyone groped, raped or harmed my daughter I'd kill them and accept the consequences.
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You’re both freaking lunatics. I’m done with being force fed your un-American and morally bankrupt drivel. You’ve been given plenty of runway here on this board, and you’ve chosen willful ignorance every step of the way. You’re not here for any sort of good-faith debate. It’s clear that your only goal is to antagonize anyone who doesn’t share your warped worldviews and spread misinformation on behalf of your cult. You can fuck right off with that. I will not be forced to entertain your nonsense any longer. #superignore
 
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Zoo_View said:
Why?

He’s going to troll you AGAIN and AGAIN.

Facts don’t matter to MAGAts.
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It would take someone far, far more intelligent and clever than the ram to troll me. Plus, I don’t think he’s trolling one bit- I think he legitimately believes 100% of what he says.
 
CFordUNC said:
It would take someone far, far more intelligent and clever than the ram to troll me. Plus, I don’t think he’s trolling one bit- I think he legitimately believes 100% of what he says.
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Some trolls are only cosplaying online, other trolls exist in real life and simply post as themselves online.
 
SnoopRob said:
You have the moral backbone of a chocolate eclair.
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I find your apparent understanding of morals in politics interesting, and question if self-serving and hypocritical. Were you equally repulsed by clinton's serial sexual abuse of women? Maybe so. My question wasn't an accusation. I think you have to view morals in politics in a different light. It didn't use to be that way but clinton kind of blew the lid off of that given his long list of accusers. The question of trump's morality has never been in doubt with me. Then too, neither has biden's. When voting for potus, morality is but one variable to take into consideration. Lot different weight then voting for city council. This board's TDS, anger at losing all g'ment control, and having a conservative court that you mostly disagree with, IMO clouds any objectivity you may have as it relates to morality at the highest levels of g'ment. Let's be real, morality isn't the number 1 issue you consider when deciding whom to vote for. I have zero doubt trump is sleezy. I also have no doubt biden was as well. Maybe kamala doesn't grope men and grab them by their dicks, but she is absolutely incompetent, unintelligent, simple minded, inexperienced, a flaming liberal, and would do far more harm to this country than another term of trump's past moral lapses. Her supposed "handle" on the border showed she is incapable of doing the job. So far, trump hasn't destroyed democracy, your 401K is doing just fine, unemployment and inflation haven't blown up, and the price of eggs is down. So when questioning people's moral compass, you might put more thought into maybe there is more to the equation.
 
BlueSteel said:
You’re both freaking lunatics. I’m done with being force fed your un-American and morally bankrupt drivel. You’ve been given plenty of runway here on this board, and you’ve chosen willful ignorance every step of the way. You’re not here for any sort of good-faith debate. It’s clear that your only goal is to antagonize anyone who doesn’t share your warped worldviews and spread misinformation on behalf of your cult. You can fuck right off with that. I will not be forced to entertain your nonsense any longer. #superignore
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Ignore is for vaginas Karen. Grow up.
 
Zoo_View said:
Super,

I’m not going to question your legal knowledge versus mine……you know infinitely more.

I’m expressing my opinion. Elected officials who commit crimes should be thrown under the prison. Bill Clinton committed perjury.

He did.

Throw the shithead UNDER the prison. He was POTUS, not a Clerk of Deeds or State Legislator or County Commissioner.

I’ll never defend the schmuck. He was POTUS and had “sex” depending on how one defines sex with a YOUNG intern…..at the least he’s guilty of sexual harassment……don’t care whether or not that was a criminal offense back then…..he’s guilty of sexually harassing a young women in his employ.

I voted for him in ‘92 and ‘96. Talked him up in ‘87 and ‘88 even after his ATROCIOUS keynote speech at the North Carolina Democratic State Convention in 1987 in which he’d bored the ENTIRE audience into the ground.

He committed perjury. We all know he did. He’s a pig.
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I was just saying that there would have been no point trying to get an indictment. I don't really have an opinion about the perjury itself. I certainly don't feel as strongly about it as you do, but I can respect that. That's a question of ought. The practical question is "will pursuing an indictment be worth the time,?" To me the answer is pretty clearly no.
 
Zoo_View said:
Thanks. So, Clinton admitted to perjury as part of a lenient plea bargain.
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But he didn't, right? He sort of took responsibility without actually doing so. And the plea bargain was useful to him in a public relations sense; but it was useful also for the prosecution, who would be able to get some reprimand when the alternative would be almost certain acquittal.
 
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