Trump / Musk (other than DOGE) Omnibus Thread

  • Thread starter Thread starter nycfan
  • Start date Start date
  • Replies: 11K
  • Views: 318K
  • Politics 
Ramrouser said:
At the end of Trump's first term, the border issue (massive people streaming into the country) was largely solved. It was under Biden/Harris that the flood gates were opened. He'll get things under control fast with the help from Mexico and Canada.

No argument from me that Trump plays the short game. As he says, we'll have to see what happens next. I'm betting on much more cooperation on the border from our neighbors between now and Inauguration Day and no tariffs imposed.
Click to expand...
Well, and not to be flippant, but Covid was happening. His numbers were pretty stagnate leading up to the pandemic. Pandemics and other world-wide crises have a tendency to fuck with data.

Regardless. I sincerely hope you are correct.
 
Ramrouser said:
At the end of Trump's first term, the border issue (massive people streaming into the country) was largely solved.
Click to expand...
This is factually incorrect... unless by "solved" you mean "a global 100 year pandemic created a massive global recession which slowed the movement of people, money and resources and allowed for extraordinary measures which caused the border to basically shut down for all traffic - including tourism and commerce and THAT solved the border 'issue'" - if that's what you mean then ok you are correct.
 
COVID helped with the border, no question but there were never as many illegal crossings under Trump as compared to B/H. The neat thing is that we're going to be able to compare B/H's four year record on the border to the next two under Trump without the intervention of COVID.

I'm betting illegal crossing decrease substantially during the next two years.
 
Ramrouser said:
COVID helped with the border, no question but there were never as many illegal crossings under Trump as compared to B/H. The neat thing is that we're going to be able to compare B/H's four year record on the border to the next two under Trump without the intervention of COVID.

I'm betting illegal crossing decrease substantially during the next two years.
Click to expand...
They sure as hell will if our economy goes in the shitter.
 
If only we had these weird little things “data” that show that illegal border crossings have been at a five-year low this year under the current administration, and if only we were able to look back to five years ago to determine who was the president at the time….
 
CFordUNC said:
If only we had these weird little things “data” that show that illegal border crossings have been at a five-year low this year under the current administration, and if only we were able to look back to five years ago to determine who was the president at the time….
Click to expand...
The really astonishing fact is how effective Biden was at apprehending border crossers, compared to both Pub and Dem administrations in the past.

1732639471819.png
 
Calheel said:
theonion.com

Trump Locks Bathroom Door So Elon Musk Can’t Follow Him In

PALM BEACH, FL—Admitting that ever since he joined the campaign trail the billionaire tech mogul had refused to leave him alone, President-elect Donald Trump reportedly locked the bathroom door Tuesday so Elon Musk couldn’t follow him in again. “All right, Elon, out,” an audibly frustrated Trump...
theonion.com theonion.com
Click to expand...
It's so hard to be an onion writer. I saw the headline and thought, "that's probably satirical but who fucking knows at this point."
 
sringwal said:
But again, what if they call his bluff. What does Trump do then? Because "solving the border crisis by requiring Mexico to pay for the wall" didn't work last time, and they are coming to the table with a much better plan this time.

Keep in mind, Trump plays a very short game (it's why he gets a diplomacy handicap). He just has to look like a winner until he dies. That's his aim. Countries like Mexico and Canada simply aren't interested in encouraging bad behavior from their already volatile sibling.
Click to expand...
Trump will just claim that he got what he wanted. We all know he will outright lie if that benefits him.

The real news networks will report that it is a falsehood (aka a lie) but nobody in the cult will see it.

If we got lucky, Canada and Mexico would just state that they made no changes to satisfy Trump but they won't because the conflict will be resolved.
 
ZenMode said:
"Tossing me a bone" based on your assumption that the deal resulted in "Nothing. Absolutely Nothing". Then you make more assumptions with your "couple of years" claim. Now, piling on more baseless assumptions attributing 10% of the 181%. You're making things up as you go.

You and I have no idea what, if anything, changed on the EU side that may have resulted in a legitimate increase in LNG purchases from the US even if the EU, as an entity, does no actual purchasing on its own.
Click to expand...
Yes, actually, about this one I do have an idea. This "making things up" is just me not wanting to make absolutist statements. You're right that I can't say for sure it did nothing. I'm extremely confident that whatever effect it did have amounted to a rounding error.

So again here's my position. Let's see if you can deal with something that isn't 100% black or white. To a first and second approximation, the MOU was meaningless and did nothing. Maybe it had some cosmetic effects. Maybe it contributed a rounding error worth of imports. That's it.

If you can find ANYTHING to rebut that point, please share. Otherwise, I'm going with the article I linked and I could link others but if you're not going to respond to that I'm not going to bother.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top