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At the end of Trump's first term, the border issue (massive people streaming into the country) was largely solved. It was under Biden/Harris that the flood gates were opened. He'll get things under control fast with the help from Mexico and Canada.

No argument from me that Trump plays the short game. As he says, we'll have to see what happens next. I'm betting on much more cooperation on the border from our neighbors between now and Inauguration Day and no tariffs imposed.
Well, and not to be flippant, but Covid was happening. His numbers were pretty stagnate leading up to the pandemic. Pandemics and other world-wide crises have a tendency to fuck with data.

Regardless. I sincerely hope you are correct.
 
At the end of Trump's first term, the border issue (massive people streaming into the country) was largely solved.
This is factually incorrect... unless by "solved" you mean "a global 100 year pandemic created a massive global recession which slowed the movement of people, money and resources and allowed for extraordinary measures which caused the border to basically shut down for all traffic - including tourism and commerce and THAT solved the border 'issue'" - if that's what you mean then ok you are correct.
 
COVID helped with the border, no question but there were never as many illegal crossings under Trump as compared to B/H. The neat thing is that we're going to be able to compare B/H's four year record on the border to the next two under Trump without the intervention of COVID.

I'm betting illegal crossing decrease substantially during the next two years.
 
COVID helped with the border, no question but there were never as many illegal crossings under Trump as compared to B/H. The neat thing is that we're going to be able to compare B/H's four year record on the border to the next two under Trump without the intervention of COVID.

I'm betting illegal crossing decrease substantially during the next two years.
They sure as hell will if our economy goes in the shitter.
 
If only we had these weird little things “data” that show that illegal border crossings have been at a five-year low this year under the current administration, and if only we were able to look back to five years ago to determine who was the president at the time….
 
If only we had these weird little things “data” that show that illegal border crossings have been at a five-year low this year under the current administration, and if only we were able to look back to five years ago to determine who was the president at the time….
The really astonishing fact is how effective Biden was at apprehending border crossers, compared to both Pub and Dem administrations in the past.

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It's so hard to be an onion writer. I saw the headline and thought, "that's probably satirical but who fucking knows at this point."
 
But again, what if they call his bluff. What does Trump do then? Because "solving the border crisis by requiring Mexico to pay for the wall" didn't work last time, and they are coming to the table with a much better plan this time.

Keep in mind, Trump plays a very short game (it's why he gets a diplomacy handicap). He just has to look like a winner until he dies. That's his aim. Countries like Mexico and Canada simply aren't interested in encouraging bad behavior from their already volatile sibling.
Trump will just claim that he got what he wanted. We all know he will outright lie if that benefits him.

The real news networks will report that it is a falsehood (aka a lie) but nobody in the cult will see it.

If we got lucky, Canada and Mexico would just state that they made no changes to satisfy Trump but they won't because the conflict will be resolved.
 
"Tossing me a bone" based on your assumption that the deal resulted in "Nothing. Absolutely Nothing". Then you make more assumptions with your "couple of years" claim. Now, piling on more baseless assumptions attributing 10% of the 181%. You're making things up as you go.

You and I have no idea what, if anything, changed on the EU side that may have resulted in a legitimate increase in LNG purchases from the US even if the EU, as an entity, does no actual purchasing on its own.
Yes, actually, about this one I do have an idea. This "making things up" is just me not wanting to make absolutist statements. You're right that I can't say for sure it did nothing. I'm extremely confident that whatever effect it did have amounted to a rounding error.

So again here's my position. Let's see if you can deal with something that isn't 100% black or white. To a first and second approximation, the MOU was meaningless and did nothing. Maybe it had some cosmetic effects. Maybe it contributed a rounding error worth of imports. That's it.

If you can find ANYTHING to rebut that point, please share. Otherwise, I'm going with the article I linked and I could link others but if you're not going to respond to that I'm not going to bother.
 
Yes, actually, about this one I do have an idea. This "making things up" is just me not wanting to make absolutist statements. You're right that I can't say for sure it did nothing. I'm extremely confident that whatever effect it did have amounted to a rounding error.

So again here's my position. Let's see if you can deal with something that isn't 100% black or white. To a first and second approximation, the MOU was meaningless and did nothing. Maybe it had some cosmetic effects. Maybe it contributed a rounding error worth of imports. That's it.

If you can find ANYTHING to rebut that point, please share. Otherwise, I'm going with the article I linked and I could link others but if you're not going to respond to that I'm not going to bother.

"Maybe it had some cosmetic effects. Maybe it contributed a rounding error worth of imports. That's it.

If you can find ANYTHING to rebut that point, please share. "

From previous page....

EU-U.S. Joint Statement: Liquefied Natural Gas (LNG) imports from the U.S. continue to rise, up by 181%​


EU-U.S. Joint Statement: Liquefied Natural Gas (LNG) imports from the U.S. continue to rise, up by 181%

Since their Joint Statement of 25 July 2018 in Washington D.C., when President Juncker and President Trump agreed to strengthen EU-U.S. strategic cooperation including in the area of energy, EU imports of liquefied natural gas (LNG) from the U.S. have increased by 181%. The firstEU-U.S. Energy Council High-Level Forum will take place on 2 May 2019 in Brussels.

The release of these new LNG figures coincides with European Trade Commissioner Cecilia Malmström's and Secretary-General Martin Selmayr's visit to Washington this week for meetings with their U.S. counterparts within the Executive Working Group. The implementation of the different elements of the Joint Statement of Presidents Juncker and Trump was one of the topics addressed. The recent developments on LNG trade attest to the European Union's continued commitment to deliver on all aspects of the 25 July agreement.

With a share of 12,6% of EU-LNG imports in 2019 so far, the U.S. is Europe's third biggest supplier of LNG[1]. The European Union is ready to facilitate more imports of liquefied natural gas from the U.S., if the market conditions are right and prices competitive. This will allow U.S. exporters to further diversify their European markets whilst contributing to the EU's objectives of security of supply and diversification. Currently, U.S. legislation still requires prior regulatory approval for liquefied natural gas exports to Europe. These restrictions need to be addressed and U.S. rules made easier for U.S. liquefied natural gas to be exported in larger quantities to the EU.

Current figures show that:

  • Compared to the period before the 25 July 2018 Joint Statement, cumulative EU imports of U.S. LNG are up by 181% at 7.9 billion cubic meters until early March 2019;
  • In terms of the EU's total imports of LNG, the U.S. share was 12%, over the last six months, compared to 2.3% before the Joint Statement and since the first U.S. LNG cargo to Europe in April 2016.
  • In the month of January 2019, EU imports of U.S. LNG from the U.S. were 1.3 billion cubic meters, up from 102 million cubic meterscompared to the same month in 2018. In February 2019 total U.S. LNG imports amounted to 0.6 billion cubic meters.
To further explore and discuss the strengthening of the transatlantic strategic cooperation with respect to energy, as agreed in the July 2018 Joint Statement, the EU and the United States are organising the first EU-U.S. Energy Council High-Level Forum in Brussels. The event will take place on 2 May under the theme: “Towards large-scale U.S. LNG exports to the EU's gas market: competitive pricing, infrastructure investments and technological innovation”.

The EU has co-financed or committed to co-finance LNG infrastructure projects worth over €656 million (see list of projects in Annex 2). In addition to the existing 150 billion cubic meters of spare capacity in the EU, the EU is supporting eight LNG projects, which will increase capacity by another 22 billion cubic meters by 2023.

 
"Maybe it had some cosmetic effects. Maybe it contributed a rounding error worth of imports. That's it.

If you can find ANYTHING to rebut that point, please share. "

From previous page....

EU-U.S. Joint Statement: Liquefied Natural Gas (LNG) imports from the U.S. continue to rise, up by 181%​


EU-U.S. Joint Statement: Liquefied Natural Gas (LNG) imports from the U.S. continue to rise, up by 181%

Since their Joint Statement of 25 July 2018 in Washington D.C., when President Juncker and President Trump agreed to strengthen EU-U.S. strategic cooperation including in the area of energy, EU imports of liquefied natural gas (LNG) from the U.S. have increased by 181%. The firstEU-U.S. Energy Council High-Level Forum will take place on 2 May 2019 in Brussels.

The release of these new LNG figures coincides with European Trade Commissioner Cecilia Malmström's and Secretary-General Martin Selmayr's visit to Washington this week for meetings with their U.S. counterparts within the Executive Working Group. The implementation of the different elements of the Joint Statement of Presidents Juncker and Trump was one of the topics addressed. The recent developments on LNG trade attest to the European Union's continued commitment to deliver on all aspects of the 25 July agreement.

With a share of 12,6% of EU-LNG imports in 2019 so far, the U.S. is Europe's third biggest supplier of LNG[1]. The European Union is ready to facilitate more imports of liquefied natural gas from the U.S., if the market conditions are right and prices competitive. This will allow U.S. exporters to further diversify their European markets whilst contributing to the EU's objectives of security of supply and diversification. Currently, U.S. legislation still requires prior regulatory approval for liquefied natural gas exports to Europe. These restrictions need to be addressed and U.S. rules made easier for U.S. liquefied natural gas to be exported in larger quantities to the EU.

Current figures show that:

  • Compared to the period before the 25 July 2018 Joint Statement, cumulative EU imports of U.S. LNG are up by 181% at 7.9 billion cubic meters until early March 2019;
  • In terms of the EU's total imports of LNG, the U.S. share was 12%, over the last six months, compared to 2.3% before the Joint Statement and since the first U.S. LNG cargo to Europe in April 2016.
  • In the month of January 2019, EU imports of U.S. LNG from the U.S. were 1.3 billion cubic meters, up from 102 million cubic meterscompared to the same month in 2018. In February 2019 total U.S. LNG imports amounted to 0.6 billion cubic meters.
To further explore and discuss the strengthening of the transatlantic strategic cooperation with respect to energy, as agreed in the July 2018 Joint Statement, the EU and the United States are organising the first EU-U.S. Energy Council High-Level Forum in Brussels. The event will take place on 2 May under the theme: “Towards large-scale U.S. LNG exports to the EU's gas market: competitive pricing, infrastructure investments and technological innovation”.

The EU has co-financed or committed to co-finance LNG infrastructure projects worth over €656 million (see list of projects in Annex 2). In addition to the existing 150 billion cubic meters of spare capacity in the EU, the EU is supporting eight LNG projects, which will increase capacity by another 22 billion cubic meters by 2023.

You think that is a rebuttal but it is not. I'm not doing this any more. It was already explained to you, not just by me but by the expert quoted in the politico article. Your position is nothing more than post hoc ergo prompter hoc which is a fallacy that people are taught in high school to avoid.
 
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