Trump / Musk (other than DOGE) Omnibus Thread

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The complete absence of certain folks posting on this thread noq is VERY telling of the realization that is just beginning in their brains.

The game is over. Folks like Musk and Vivek now own the Presidency and our entire government. Trump has neither the power nor the will to push back against them now.
 
It is very interesting how people react to government.

Can you imagine had the government done nothing and let some of the big banks collapse or let GM go under? People would have been up in arms that the government didn't do its job. Yet, when the government did step in and help, it's an overreaction.

Same with COVID. Had the government did nothing, the masses would have revolted. The hospital system may have shutdown. Many more would have probably died. But after it's over, because some mistakes were made and people had to stay home for a while, it was an overreaction.

I don't see many of those who were protected from foreclosure bitching about it, or those who received the stimulus sending it back, but they sure like to bitch that the government overreacted, after the fact. I'll even give trump some credit there in working to make the vaccine available quicker through funding and helping with red tape. He probably would have been looked at much more positively had he just shut up and not told people of his alternative options.
 
Of course, in hindsight everything was an overreaction. It's easy to make that claim after the fact.

In the moment what would you have wanted our leaders to do? Should they have just told everyone to go about life while they figured it out. Just look at the hysteria in the beginning and multiply that if the average person felt that the government was doing nothing.
His analysis is the same in the thread about Jan 6. Find some component, often an ancillary one, of a complex action that he disagrees with and paint the entire exercise as a failure. It's the recreational contrarian's stock in trade.
 
Wait, what?


"The message appears to include a reference to Musk’s son, X Æ A-Xii, whom Musk colloquially refers to as X. The post comes as Musk, whom Trump named as co-leader of his government efficiency initiative, has drawn fresh criticism from loyal Trump supporters over his support of the visa program that allows highly skilled foreign workers to immigrate to the US."

Hey, Pubs! I know you hate it enough when Michael changes his name to Michaela to vote for a fascist for president, so I wanted to see what you think about his primary supporter naming his "son" X Æ A-Xii. You sure you're still on this train?
 
"How many common men have their dads give them a million dollars to start out with?"

He received 413 million dollars from his dad. If he had taken that largess and simply put in a S&P 500 index fund, his net worth would be more than twice what it is today
Wow, I stand corrected.

This reminds me of an interview I heard with one of Warren Buffett's sons. The interviewer asked about the story that his father only gave him a small amount of money because he wanted them to go out and earn their money, not be spoiled. He sort of laughed and said yes, his dad had given him some stocks and other investments, that his dad did want him to work and be successful, but he gave him enough that he didn't have to worry. The interviewer asked how much, the son replied: "In today's market it's around $190M".

I just laughed because I had heard the story of Buffett not giving his kids a lot of money several times. I guess it's like Buffett's story of his secretary's tax liability being greater than his, it's often repeated in a less accurate way.
 
His analysis is the same in the thread about Jan 6. Find some component, often an ancillary one, of a complex action that he disagrees with and paint the entire exercise as a failure. It's the recreational contrarian's stock in trade.
Yes, I recognize his style and I am working to avoid responding...

I really should know better after how narrowly he defined normal, so it would fit his position that anyone who isn't Cisgender is abnormal.
 
Lol did not expect to see Dasha tweets on the ZZL today.

I hope that this is the catalyst to remove Elon from the inner circle… H1Bs are not popular with anyone outside the C-suite. But the whole thing will probably be forgotten in a day or two.
 
Of course, in hindsight everything was an overreaction. It's easy to make that claim after the fact.

In the moment what would you have wanted our leaders to do? Should they have just told everyone to go about life while they figured it out. Just look at the hysteria in the beginning and multiply that if the average person felt that the government was doing nothing.
It was a complex situation, no doubt.

Multiple states actually did say to more or less go about your life. I think it was 8 total that never had lockdowns of any kind. They were Red states of course. ;)

Like I said, there was data early on that showed who was primarily at risk and it was largely the elderly, which is why Italy was hit so hard by the first wave of covid - they had, I believe, the 10th oldest population in the world at the time, which is why they had a 9% mortality rate.

I'm just saying that we probably wouldn't have had the same reaction from state and federal governments if a) they were looking at the demographics mortality data and b) Italy didn't have a 9% mortality rate. If Italy had a 1% rate, which is where the US ultimately ended up, things would have been much different.
 
It was a complex situation, no doubt.

Multiple states actually did say to more or less go about your life. I think it was 8 total that never had lockdowns of any kind. They were Red states of course. ;)

Like I said, there was data early on that showed who was primarily at risk and it was largely the elderly, which is why Italy was hit so hard by the first wave of covid - they had, I believe, the 10th oldest population in the world at the time, which is why they had a 9% mortality rate.

I'm just saying that we probably wouldn't have had the same reaction from state and federal governments if a) they were looking at the demographics mortality data and b) Italy didn't have a 9% mortality rate. If Italy had a 1% rate, which is where the US ultimately ended up, things would have been much different.
yeah man, all of those red states that led the country in per capita death rates really crushed it.

 
This is another situation where two things can be true at the same time. One truth, likely based on what we saw happening in Italy early in the pandemic, is that there was overreaction on the part of federal, state and local governments. Overreaction in the form of unnecessary lockdowns in areas where it wasn't necessary. Overreaction in the form of constructing large, temporary hospital expansions with the expectation of mass hospitalizations that never came to fruition. Overreaction in the form of discharging military personnel who wouldn't get the vaccine. The big one, at least for me, was the federal government's attempt to use OSHA to force 80 million Americans to get vaccinated.

The other truth is that some lives were possibly saved by the measures taken. Were a lot of lives saved? Probably not because Covid ended up not being nearly as deadly as we thought, but I think social distancing, lockdowns, etc probably saved some lives that may have been lost to select hospitals being overwhelmed.

Hopefully, we learned from the mistakes of Covid and will handle the next dangerous pandemic a little better.
Here’s the thing, though: several of the strains we saw during lockdown were more deadly. By the time lockdown was over, however, those strains had been replaced by less deadly, somewhat more easily transferable, ones. And there was always a risk that more dangerous mutations could occur during that period. Consider the fact that part of the reason that they didn’t was due to the lockdown.

It also gave doctors time to test what did, and didn’t, work. Science is about trial and error, and trial and error during a pandemic is extremely high stakes. The higher the stakes, then, the more important it is to do things the right way.
 
Define what it means to be “Woke.”

I want to set the parameters of how ignorant you truly are before I waste time trying to engage with you.
My Father in law on Christmas yelled about a celebration penalty, he didn’t even know why they called it or had seen a replay, just yelled that the NFL had gone woke.
 
It was a complex situation, no doubt.

Multiple states actually did say to more or less go about your life. I think it was 8 total that never had lockdowns of any kind. They were Red states of course. ;)

Like I said, there was data early on that showed who was primarily at risk and it was largely the elderly, which is why Italy was hit so hard by the first wave of covid - they had, I believe, the 10th oldest population in the world at the time, which is why they had a 9% mortality rate.

I'm just saying that we probably wouldn't have had the same reaction from state and federal governments if a) they were looking at the demographics mortality data and b) Italy didn't have a 9% mortality rate. If Italy had a 1% rate, which is where the US ultimately ended up, things would have been much different.
And how do those states that didn't lock down compare in population and density? If you are in a state that is very rural the social distancing is built in.

So, basically you are saying that they reacted based on the information they had and that they adjusted as more information and knowledge was gleaned?

Hmmmm, that seems to actually make sense.
 
My Father in law on Christmas yelled about a celebration penalty, he didn’t even know why they called it or had seen a replay, just yelled that the NFL had gone woke.
lol. i was confused about that one at first, too.

the guy pulled his shirt up to show off his non-existent gun in his waistband.

the NFL has definitely cracked down seriously on anything depicting violence or guns.
 
Meanwhile…

MAGA civil war breaks out over American "mediocrity" culture​



Have you ever had the rainmaker partner in your law firm indicted for felonious attempts to fraudulently push Georgia’s 2020 electoral votes to Trump, and being assured those indictments would disappear if Trump were elected in 2024? If not, you don’t have much in common with Ramrouser.
Things keep going bad to worse for Fani. Judge just ordered her to appear before the State Senate committee to be grilled about, among other things, her offices’ coordination with the DOJ in her effort to target Trump. SHE’s the one who is going to end up in jail before everything is said and done.
 
Keep thinking that way as that's a sure fire way to regain power.

The US is simply following the Western World's general rejection of governments ruled by Elites with their excessive regulations, wokeness, nanny state rule making, green agenda and open borders. You see this change throughout Western Europe and Canada. A lot of this is in reaction to the heavy handedness of these governments during COVID. Normal people of the World Unite!
Thinking that way has quite literally been the path to victory for your party. Name one thing that Donald Trump has said or promised that passes any sort of test of logic, common sense, or truth. American voters largely do not think. They feel.

And yes, appealing to feeling is the path to victory for American politicians. Thats sad, but hugely true.

Oh, and I love that your disdainful description of the kind of people that Americna voters are lashing out against matches you perfectly.

Youre affluent, you have a graduate level degree, you work in a suit and I guarantee you haven't done anything resembling manual labor your entire adult life, possibly never.

Were your parents also affluent? Whst did your dad do for a living?
 
It was a complex situation, no doubt.

Multiple states actually did say to more or less go about your life. I think it was 8 total that never had lockdowns of any kind. They were Red states of course. ;)

Like I said, there was data early on that showed who was primarily at risk and it was largely the elderly, which is why Italy was hit so hard by the first wave of covid - they had, I believe, the 10th oldest population in the world at the time, which is why they had a 9% mortality rate.

I'm just saying that we probably wouldn't have had the same reaction from state and federal governments if a) they were looking at the demographics mortality data and b) Italy didn't have a 9% mortality rate. If Italy had a 1% rate, which is where the US ultimately ended up, things would have been much different.
And how do those states that didn't lock down compare in population and density? If you are in a state that is very rural the social distancing is built in.

So, basically you are saying that they reacted based on the information they had and that they adjusted as more information and knowledge was gleaned?

Hmmmm, that seems to actually make sense.
 
Things keep going bad to worse for Fani. Judge just ordered her to appear before the State Senate committee to be grilled about, among other things, her offices’ coordination with the DOJ in her effort to target Trump. SHE’s the one who is going to end up in jail before everything is said and done.
Lol. Nothing makes you harder than the thought of a black person behind bars, does it?
 
Things keep going bad to worse for Fani. Judge just ordered her to appear before the State Senate committee to be grilled about, among other things, her offices’ coordination with the DOJ in her effort to target Trump. SHE’s the one who is going to end up in jail before everything is said and done.
Are you going to answer my question?
 
yeah man, all of those red states that led the country in per capita death rates really crushed it.

Interesting that Wyoming is the lowest population and they were one of the 7 that didn't mandate any lockdown. Just look at how well they did.

By the theory of doing nothing, Wyoming should have had almost no deaths...
 
Things keep going bad to worse for Fani. Judge just ordered her to appear before the State Senate committee to be grilled about, among other things, her offices’ coordination with the DOJ in her effort to target Trump. SHE’s the one who is going to end up in jail before everything is said and done.
I am not following this issue closely so I might be off base here but don’t DA’s typically work with the DOJ to target folks they believe have committed crimes?
 
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