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Paine said:
He wants something that will leave a mark after he’s gone. Something that can’t be undone easily. Something he can put his name on. Unsurprising given his personality and past.
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I’ve been saying the exact same thing, and I think he’ll utilize uniform military to make it happen, if economic warfare doesn’t.
 
superrific said:
1. There's no half way position. Birthright citizenship is all or nothing. If it's a half-measure, then it's not birthright.
2. Plenty of women came to the US and gave birth right when they got here. It wasn't particularly unusual.
3. The point that you seem to be unable to understand, and I will try to make this simple for you, is THEY DIDN'T CARE. This hysteria about "oh, no, women are coming here to give birth" did not bother them AT ALL because they understood that more Americans = a stronger America.
4. Do you really think pregnant women are walking into the desert to give birth? REALLY? How does that work? Woman shows up at a ranger station with a newborn and says, "I just gave birth to this child at this longitude/latitude so can I have a birth certificate please"?
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3. They didn't care then, just as we handed out citizenship to anyone who reached out shores, so it didn't matter of they gave birth. The people giving birth were immigrating here, and already getting citizenship, not just vacationing.

We also had a population of less than 40 million.
 
Turd Ferguson said:
The problem is Trump and MAGA make it out like every immigrant is like this, when they only make up a small fraction of the crimes committed here. It's playing on irrational fear and racism.
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"That's a lie and their actions so far prove it. Stop being a chicken little. Regardless of how horrible you think the US is, the line to get in gets longer and the line to leave doesn't exist." -@Badbehavior1015

Well, actually, it's a not a lie.

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ZenMode said:
3. They didn't care then, just as we handed out citizenship to anyone who reached out shores, so it didn't matter of they gave birth. The people giving birth were immigrating here, and already getting citizenship,
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That's right. So why did you write this:

"It's just not possible for them to be able to see into the future. They don't know what they don't know. There are just simply things that they could not have foreseen."

The 14th Amendment was an intentional choice to confer citizenship upon everyone who was born here, other than diplomats. If you don't like that choice, then you're free to advocate for changing the amendment. Personally, I think there are many, many changes to the constitution that are of much higher priority. If you want to focus on weird hypotheticals of pregnant women wandering the desert, go ahead. It's your right, just as it's my right to draw the conclusions that inevitably follow.
 
milom98 said:
Anyone know what Trump said/proposed earlier today about reducing the price of groceries? I ask because my Trump cult member mother assured me that grocery prices were going to be coming down because of something Trump said/proposed.

And yes, I just laugh at my parents now when they start with the Trump nonsense. And I'm going to enjoy rubbing every bit of "I told you so" in their faces over the next 4 years.
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Fortunately, my parents will never be Trumplicans (or, so I hope. As people age and the brain changes……who knows?!!).

They certainly supported Bernie in 2016. They’re left-wing; but, they’re not LEFTISTS. I completely disagreed with their support of Bernie in 2016 and 2020 - he wasn’t wining the general election.

My parents are aged……not aging…..aged……they’re mid-late-octogenarians. I wouldn’t rub anything in either’s face.

As someone you love ages, things happen.

My Dad and I have great conversations daily and we work on projects most days. He’s 86 - still sharp. As sharp as ever? No.

Mom. She has dementia. It’s accelerating. She’s 85. She’s still functional - just don’t ask her who she just met or what she just ate.
 
superrific said:
If Trump eliminates taxes on tips, then I'm eliminating my tips. Somebody has to stand up for non-tipped workers.
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I could see a compromise where there is a cap, like say the first $10k of tip income is not taxable. I can't see Congress signing up for an unlimited tip exemption.

If they do, my hourly rate will be cut in half and I'll have a new suggested gratuity payment system with my clients.
 
Calheel said:
I could see a compromise where there is a cap, like say the first $10k of tip income is not taxable. I can't see Congress signing up for an unlimited tip exemption.

If they do, my hourly rate will be cut in half and I'll have a new suggested gratuity payment system with my clients.
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Well in that case I'm decreasing my tips by 30%. I'm not interested in giving the wait staff a better tax deal than the janitor who clean up after.
 
ZenMode said:
3. They didn't care then, just as we handed out citizenship to anyone who reached out shores, so it didn't matter of they gave birth. The people giving birth were immigrating here, and already getting citizenship, not just vacationing.

We also had a population of less than 40 million.
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Yeah, what Super said.

You are simply arguing for a constitutional amendment. If you think birther tourism is a huge issue (and a better example is probably Chinese nationals taking birth vacations in Hacienda Heights, CA) then advocate for an amendment.

But you can't just rewrite the express language of the 14th amendment because the world has changed - especially when you aren't dealing with a nebulous concept like "due process" or "cruel and unusual punishment." Birthright citizenship is a very black and white issue. You can't rewrite it via Executive Order.
 
Decades ago, in the ‘86/‘87 tax “reform” bill, restaurant/bar service staff (the people who were tipped) were required to report all tips……cuz billions and billions and billions in unreported income
 
Bobfripp said:
"That's a lie and their actions so far prove it. Stop being a chicken little. Regardless of how horrible you think the US is, the line to get in gets longer and the line to leave doesn't exist." -@Badbehavior1015

Well, actually, it's a not a lie.

nij.ojp.gov

Advancing Justice Through Science

The National Institute of Justice (NIJ) is dedicated to improving knowledge and understanding of crime and justice issues through science.
nij.ojp.gov nij.ojp.gov
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Well, yes it is. This article was written 5 months ago, well before Trump and Homon took over.

Buffoons gonna keep buffooning.
 
ZenMode said:
3. They didn't care then, just as we handed out citizenship to anyone who reached out shores, so it didn't matter of they gave birth. The people giving birth were immigrating here, and already getting citizenship, not just vacationing.

We also had a population of less than 40 million.
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And? We're scarcely overcrowded now.
 
superrific said:
That's right. So why did you write this:

"It's just not possible for them to be able to see into the future. They don't know what they don't know. There are just simply things that they could not have foreseen."

The 14th Amendment was an intentional choice to confer citizenship upon everyone who was born here, other than diplomats. If you don't like that choice, then you're free to advocate for changing the amendment. Personally, I think there are many, many changes to the constitution that are of much higher priority. If you want to focus on weird hypotheticals of pregnant women wandering the desert, go ahead. It's your right, just as it's my right to draw the conclusions that inevitably follow.
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By saying "They don't know what they don't know" means they couldn't have foreseen the changes in our ability to travel via airplane, making birth tourism possible.

What I hope, a think, will eventually happen is there there will be a debate about the spirit of the 14th Amendment. It seems to me that BRC was intended for those who desired to migrate here permanently, not fly here for "vacation", waddle across the border at the 11th hour just to have a kid or were temporarily living here for work (diplomats).

That debate will surely include a reconsidering of what "under jurisdiction of" means.
 
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