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lawtig02 said:
Probably. And there are things he says here that do bug me. This is not one of them. I couldn’t care less what any MAGAs think about birthright citizenship. I just don’t know why someone would waste time arguing 127 year old SCOTUS precedent should be revisited.
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Corporations are people, my friends?
 
finesse said:
Does that mean corporations will adopt their employees, give them allowances instead of a salary and avoid that whole nasty visa thing?
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No, maybe, and possibly.

Corporations were never people until our Supremely Corrupt Court said they were. God help us because most assuredly, the government as it's currently constituted and the Oligarchs won't.
 
Trying to break up the first week firehose thread I to more focused topics as makes sense.

Lots of changes in how and what the DOJ will focus on is not uncommon when the executive branch changes parties, but the whiplash could be quite extreme here as Trump personal attorneys and an election denier AG are installed at the top.
 
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“They replaced a Biden-era memo telling prosecutors to show leniency to some drug offenders with a new policy calling for the pursuit of the most serious charges and the stiffest penalties for all crimes. They halted much of the department’s civil-rights and environmental work. And they transferred more than 15 career employees to relatively marginal positions, part of a broader effort to ultimately thin the workforce. That was just the first week.

… Many department employees are on edge as they await Senate confirmation of Pam Bondi, Trump’s nominee for attorney general. Her chief of staff, Chad Mizelle, is leading the department until then, along with acting Attorney General James McHenry, a longtime immigration lawyer, and his temporary deputy, Emil Bove, who previously served as one of Trump’s criminal defense attorneys.

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As part of the department’s pivots, Mizelle issued a memo Friday sharply limiting prosecutions of people accused of blocking access to abortion clinics, calling such cases the “prototypical example” of federal weaponization.

Mizelle put an immediate hold on civil-rights litigation, meaning department lawyers can’t take additional steps in many existing cases “to ensure that the President’s appointees or designees have the opportunity to decide whether to initiate any new cases,” according to a memo viewed by The Wall Street Journal. Another memo told lawyers not to complete any settlements and suggested that the new administration could reconsider dozens of consent decrees meant to overhaul local police departments, a priority of the Biden administration.

Some of the Justice Department employees reassigned or demoted last week included people who advised on the two prosecutions of Trump or worked closely with Biden appointees in areas that the new leadership wants to overhaul or revamp. Those reassigned include lawyers who held senior roles within the national-security and criminal divisions. …”

 

White House warns of ‘consequences’ for Republicans who don’t support all of Trump’s nominees​

More Trump nominees with potentially rocky paths to confirmation face hearings in the Senate this week, including Tulsi Gabbard, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and Kash Patel.

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White House warns of ‘consequences’ for Republicans who don’t support all of Trump’s nominees

More Trump nominees with potentially rocky paths to confirmation face hearings in the Senate this week, including Tulsi Gabbard, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and Kash Patel.
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“… “It’s pass-fail. You either support everyone or you don’t,” a senior White House official told NBC News. “The Senate needs to advise and consent, not advise and adjust.”

… “There is a very well-funded consortium of outside groups and political actors that are sophisticated, smart and tough. We’ve already seen that they’ve provided air support and narrative support to some nominees,” said the official, referring to allied groups close to, but not directly controlled by, the White House.

“They’ll still be very well-funded when the nominations are over, and they’ll exact consequences, I’m sure, to those who do not support the president’s nominees and get them to the finish line.”

… Still, there is some unease. One Republican senator who has voted for all of Trump’s nominees so far said his colleagues will be wary of national security picks who “sound more like Tucker Carlson than a Republican,” referring to the hard-right conservative commentator who has been seen as friendly to U.S. adversaries such as Russian President Vladimir Putin.

“We’ll only give so much,” said the senator, who spoke on condition of anonymity to describe the internal Senate thinking. “Because this is the future of the country. It’s not entertainment television.” …”

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StrangePackage said:
If immigrants, documented or not, aren't under the jurisdiction of the United States, how come we can charge them with Federal crimes?
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I don't think that the ability to charge somebody with a crime, when they are in your country, is the sole determiner of what is meant by jurisdiction.
 
wmheel1287 said:
I'll ask this again. Do you believe this debate about the "spirit" of the Amendment should happen with the entire Constitution?
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Of course and it's does. It has to. Obviously the founding fathers had no way to anticipate the existence of social media when drafting the First Amendment, right? I would say there's virtually no doubt that the spirit of free speech would undoubtedly include speech in digital format.

So, when the drafters of the 14th Amendment were imagining who would be given citizenship based on being born in the US, does it seem likely that they were talking about the children of people who were truly immigrating to the US or, in the unfortunate case of slaves, were forced here against their will?

Do we think that they were imagining a time when traveling halfway around the world would take a matter of hours and not months and travel would be so easy that people would be coming here at the 11th hour of their pregnancy, just to take advantage of our birthright citizenship policy, under the guise of "vacationing"?
 
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ZenMode said:
I don't think that the ability to charge somebody with a crime, when they are in your country, is the sole determiner of what is meant by jurisdiction.
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... That is literally the definition of jurisdiction. The ability to enact and enforce legal decisions.
 
ZenMode said:
Right. I'm just saying that I don't think the ability to charge somebody with a crime is the only consideration in legal jurisdiction.
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Then tell us what you "think" is needed?

Because if the text reads "All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof[.]" So why is criminal jurisdiction not sufficient? It's also clear that they're subject to civil jurisdiction as well ..
So is there some other kind of jurisdiction that we need to discuss?
 
StrangePackage said:
Then tell us what you "think" is needed?

Because if the text reads "All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof[.]" So why is criminal jurisdiction not sufficient? It's also clear that they're subject to civil jurisdiction as well ..
So is there some other kind of jurisdiction that we need to discuss?
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I think the better question is whether or not simply being able to charge somebody with a crime is the basis for giving their kids citizenship. If I were to drive to Florida and get a speeding ticket, should I start being taxed based on Florida's personal income tax policy? Obviously not. That would be silly because it's clear that my ties to Arizona means that they have jurisdiction over any number of things, not just the ability to write me a speeding ticket.

As I mentioned here, it was a much different time back then. People were picking up their entire lives just to get to our shores to be handed citizenship. Of course it makes sense to give their kids citizenship. It also makes perfect sense to give the children of slaves, who were brought here against their will, citizenship in the US.

The people participating in birth tourism are not immigrating to the US, they are taking advantage of a loophole that doesn't seem to align with the original intention of the 14th Amendment.

EDIT: But what do I know? I'm just a troll who doesn't believe what he's saying, anyway. :rolleyes:
 
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nycfan said:
Trying to break up the first week firehose thread I to more focused topics as makes sense.

Lots of changes in how and what the DOJ will focus on is not uncommon when the executive branch changes parties, but the whiplash could be quite extreme here as Trump personal attorneys and an election denier AG are installed at the top.
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Gonna be impossible. I don't even know where to post things anymore. (This is not an indictment on you or the board) Trump is employing the weave into his policies and EO's. He is trying to make it impossible to focus on one particular thing. By the time one fire is ablaze and everyone is rushing to see it/put it out, he's started three more.
 
“The Trump administration launched an immigration enforcement blitz in Chicago on Sunday that includes several federal agencies which have been granted additional authorities to arrest undocumented immigrants in the US, according to multiple sources.

The blitz is part of a broader effort to add manpower to Immigration and Customs Enforcement, which has limited resources and agents, as the administration tries to ramp up arrests nationwide and amass a larger force to carry out the president’s deportation pledge.

… In a statement, ICE confirmed the “enhanced targeted operations” in Chicago began Sunday.

“U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, along with federal partners, including the FBI, ATF, DEA, CBP and the U.S. Marshals Service, began conducting enhanced targeted operations today in Chicago to enforce U.S. immigration law and preserve public safety and national security by keeping potentially dangerous criminal aliens out of our communities,” the statement reads.

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Acting Deputy Attorney General Emil Bove is in Chicago Sunday to observe immigration enforcement operations.

“This morning, I had the privilege of observing brave men and women of the Department deploying in lockstep with DHS to address a national emergency arising from four years of failed immigration policy,” Bove said in a statement.

Previous administrations, including the Biden administration, also sought out public safety and national security threats when carrying out immigration enforcement operations. Homan has argued that guidelines under Biden set up hurdles for officers targeting criminals, while former Biden officials maintained those guidelines established a clear focus. …”
 
“… Homan told ABC News in an interview that aired on Sunday there’s “no number” of deportations needed to view Trump’s immigration agenda as successful, stating that “every public safety threat removed from this country is a success.”

“There’s no number on it. So my success is going to be based on what Congress gives us. More money, the better we’re going to do,” Homan said. …”

 

Colombia is blocking US military deportation flights, its president says​

“… Two US military flights bound for Colombia overnight were turned back, according to a flight tracker, after Petro wrote in a post on X that he was denying entry for the aircraft.

In another post, Petro left the door open to receiving migrant flights, but called on the US to use civilian planes and establish better protocols for their treatment of migrants.

While Colombia cannot allow migrants to remain in a country that does not want them, they must be sent back “with dignity and respect for them and for our country. We will receive our fellow citizens on civilian planes, without treating them like criminals,” the Colombian president wrote. …”

 
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