Trump / Musk (other than DOGE) Omnibus Thread

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If true, this really sucks to read.

I mean, Vance just went to Europe and told Europeans they, not authoritarians in Russia and China, are the problem and they shouldn’t fear fascism, they should work with fascists and quit being so pissy about foreign government officials from Russia and the U.S. interfering with their elections.

The Trump Administration has gone on the world stage to declare that we are a Supervillain State, and so far everything they’ve done indicates an intention to carve up the world into spheres of domination among the United States (Western Hemisphere & Middle East), Russia (Europe) and China (the rest).
 
I mean, Vance just went to Europe and told Europeans they, not authoritarians in Russia and China, are the problem and they shouldn’t fear fascism, they should work with fascists and quit being so pissy about foreign government officials from Russia and the U.S. interfering with their elections.

The Trump Administration has gone on the world stage to declare that we are a Supervillain State, and so far everything they’ve done indicates an intention to carve up the world into spheres of domination among the United States (Western Hemisphere & Middle East), Russia (Europe) and China (the rest).
So hard to even process that this is what's happening. Truly surreal.
 
If I’m Zelensky no way I ever meet in person with Trump/Putin. They will probably assassinate him, if they can figure out how. They give zero shits about any consequences.
 
I mean, Vance just went to Europe and told Europeans they, not authoritarians in Russia and China, are the problem and they shouldn’t fear fascism, they should work with fascists and quit being so pissy about foreign government officials from Russia and the U.S. interfering with their elections.

The Trump Administration has gone on the world stage to declare that we are a Supervillain State, and so far everything they’ve done indicates an intention to carve up the world into spheres of domination among the United States (Western Hemisphere & Middle East), Russia (Europe) and China (the rest).
We had a chance, Pubs. Russia has never been weaker. China is facing enormous demographic and economic challenges. We could have led the world for the next 100 years. But you guys just couldn’t handle the thought of sharing a bathroom with a biological woman.
 
"...on Thursday came news that Apple and Google were restoring access to TikTok in their app stores in response to letters from Attorney General Bondi promising that they wouldn’t be prosecuted for violating the TikTok statute. (For background on that statute, see this earlier post.) By all accounts, the Bondi letters simply followed the directives President Trump had spelled out in his January 20 executive order—promising no prosecution and also providing the Department’s legal conclusion that supporting TikTok in app stores would not, in fact, violate the TikTok statute.

As I wrote three weeks ago, whatever else might be said about an Attorney General’s choice to not enforce a federal statute that the Supreme Court just upheld against a constitutional challenge, putting into writing that companies like Apple and Google are not violating the statute when they transparently … are … is something else altogether. Don’t just take my word for it, though; as relevant here, the statute bars U.S. companies from:

Providing services to distribute, maintain, or update such foreign adversary controlled application (including any source code of such application) by means of a marketplace (including an online mobile application store) through which users within the land or maritime borders of the United States may access, maintain, or update such application.
In other words, when Apple and Google provide access to TikTok through their app stores, they are violating the unambiguous, plain text of the statute. There’s just no non-frivolous argument to the contrary. Thus, to assert that Apple and Google aren’t violating this provision is to assert that 2 + 2 = porcupine. It’s not a legal argument at all; it’s just a diktat.

In essence, then, the Attorney General of the United States has put her name to legal conclusions that (1) she was directed to reach by the President; and (2) are laughably wrong. It was one thing when Trump put it in an executive order. It’s something else when a Senate-confirmed Attorney General follows through—it is the epitome of politics over law from the federal officer who ought to be most committed to the latter. ..."

 
"...on Thursday came news that Apple and Google were restoring access to TikTok in their app stores in response to letters from Attorney General Bondi promising that they wouldn’t be prosecuted for violating the TikTok statute. (For background on that statute, see this earlier post.) By all accounts, the Bondi letters simply followed the directives President Trump had spelled out in his January 20 executive order—promising no prosecution and also providing the Department’s legal conclusion that supporting TikTok in app stores would not, in fact, violate the TikTok statute.

As I wrote three weeks ago, whatever else might be said about an Attorney General’s choice to not enforce a federal statute that the Supreme Court just upheld against a constitutional challenge, putting into writing that companies like Apple and Google are not violating the statute when they transparently … are … is something else altogether. Don’t just take my word for it, though; as relevant here, the statute bars U.S. companies from:


In other words, when Apple and Google provide access to TikTok through their app stores, they are violating the unambiguous, plain text of the statute. There’s just no non-frivolous argument to the contrary. Thus, to assert that Apple and Google aren’t violating this provision is to assert that 2 + 2 = porcupine. It’s not a legal argument at all; it’s just a diktat.

In essence, then, the Attorney General of the United States has put her name to legal conclusions that (1) she was directed to reach by the President; and (2) are laughably wrong. It was one thing when Trump put it in an executive order. It’s something else when a Senate-confirmed Attorney General follows through—it is the epitome of politics over law from the federal officer who ought to be most committed to the latter. ..."


Google and Apple restore TikTok to app stores​


Apple restored the app after Attorney General Pam Bondi sent a letter to the company assuring it will not face fines for violating a law that banned the video-sharing platform last month, according to a person familiar with the correspondence.

"...Apple restored the app after Attorney General Pam Bondi sent a letter to the company assuring it will not face fines for violating a law that banned the video-sharing platform last month, according to a person familiar with the correspondence. A Google spokesperson did not give a reason for why the app was restored.

Both companies took the app off their online stores after a ban on TikTok took effect in the U.S. on Jan. 19. Apple and Google had kept TikTok unavailable for downloads even after President Donald Trump signed an executive order promising his administration would not enforce the law for 75 days.

The order also directed the attorney general to “issue a letter to each provider stating that there has been no violation of the statute and that there is no liability.” Bondi was sworn in last Wednesday. ..."
 
We had a chance, Pubs. Russia has never been weaker. China is facing enormous demographic and economic challenges. We could have led the world for the next 100 years. But you guys just couldn’t handle the thought of sharing a bathroom with a biological woman.
Not sure I've ever seen a more succinctly accurate statement in more than a decade on this board.
 
Interesting to me, and please correct me if I’m wrong, but Musk has found all of this “waste, fraud” and somehow it is all the fault of the Democrats. Are we to believe that Democrats are solely responsible for all waste and fraud in the US government? I would think that should set off alarm bells for anyone with a mind that thinks critically.
Which means MAGAts are being deceived. Shocking I know from the crowd that if Trump and Musk shit and pissed in a bucket they would shower in it and tell you how clean they are.
You are correct. Unfortunately there is almost no overlap between those who think critically and MAGA.
 


See, if DOGE would be targeted in cuts (like weapons systems the military doesn’t even want), it could be valuable.

But right now they are weed whacking everything they can reach without any apparent plan or motivation other than. destroying anything they can as fast as they can.

Agreed
 
It isn’t like the TikTok ban is an old law. It passed in December with overwhelming Republican support.

One would think that those Republicans who just passed this ban would stand up to this.
 


If true, this really sucks to read.

It's true. We are the baddies.

The worst of us leveraged our humanistic and empathetic vulnerabilities to steer the world further towards class and racial systems of alignment. The folks at the top are more concerned with class, but they operate with simple cynicism directed towards the easily manipulated racial tribalists. IMO, combating this second rise of the Nazis will require a severe turn towards cynicism for those who believe in humanism, democracy, and pluralistic society. I recognize that’s a bit antithetical, but we’ve seen time and time again that you can only defeat reactionary bullies with uncompromising pushback.
 
It's true. We are the baddies.

The worst of us leveraged our humanistic and empathetic vulnerabilities to steer the world further towards class and racial systems of alignment. The folks at the top are more concerned with class, but they operate with simple cynicism directed towards the easily manipulated racial tribalists. IMO, combating this second rise of the Nazis will require a severe turn towards cynicism for those who believe in humanism, democracy, and pluralistic society. I recognize that’s a bit antithetical, but we’ve seen time and time again that you can only defeat reactionary bullies with uncompromising pushback.
Can you elaborate a bit on how cynicism is necessary for uncompromising pushback? I don’t see those as dependent on one another.

If what you’re saying is: liberals and socialists need to realize that, despite our inclinations towards humanism, most people are voting (or not voting) based on narrowly perceived self-interest, then I agree with that. But that doesn’t mean I myself need to turn to cynicism.
 
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Can you elaborate a bit on how cynicism is necessary for uncompromising pushback? I don’t see those as dependent on one another.

If what you’re saying is: liberals and socialists need to realize that, despite our inclinations towards humanism, most people are voting (or not voting) based on narrowly perceived self-interest, then I agree with that. But that doesn’t mean I myself need to turn to cynicism.
The second part. Empathetic folk often overestimate the existence of empathy in the world, and particularly within their ideological antagonists. The rising tide trope is idealistic, and historically tenuous.

The empathy gap is a durable characteristic and often far more powerful than a rising tide orientation. Basic in-group, outgroup stuff. I think we do ourselves a disservice if we view rising fascism as a phenomenon we need to convince people out of, because “we all want to do well”, vs realizing this is about mobilization of like-minded (or at least sympathetic) folks who haven’t meaningfully engaged in the political process.
 
thoughtful and helpful stuff @Paine @Healing

i'm going to copy/paste some of it for some of my group chats with friends, hope that's okay.
Go for it. I fully agree with that diagnosis @Healing.

I think this dynamic has manifested itself well in the USAID crisis. People of our persuasion can see the obvious good that foreign aid does. Unfortunately, foreign aid remains one the top things Americans would like to see cut.

Instead of trying to convince people out of this, we need to focus on the core issues we can mobilize people on: education, healthcare, pocketbook issues.

Setting ourselves up as the noble defenders of USAID is only strengthening the picture of Democrats as defenders of crumbling institutions and Republicans as anti-establishment populists.
 
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