Trump / Musk (other than DOGE) Omnibus Thread

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When they compain about Dem spending, please keep in mind that for the past 15 Congresses (1995-2024) Repulicans controlled the House 22 of the 30 years and 18 of the 30 in the Senate.
And Rs will control for thne next two as well
 
The second part. Empathetic folk often overestimate the existence of empathy in the world, and particularly within their ideological antagonists. The rising tide trope is idealistic, and historically tenuous.

The empathy gap is a durable characteristic and often far more powerful than a rising tide orientation. Basic in-group, outgroup stuff. I think we do ourselves a disservice if we view rising fascism as a phenomenon we need to convince people out of, because “we all want to do well”, vs realizing this is about mobilization of like-minded (or at least sympathetic) folks who haven’t meaningfully engaged in the political process.
This is incredibly accurate. Mobilize with like-minded people right now, while it's still easy to do. The usefulness of the right to general Americans is essentially nothing. I'm well past cynical.

Eventually the military will be unleashed domestically. My prediction is around the midterms when elon/trump somehow "find" 50 million votes from dead democrats. They will then declare a national emergency, rigged voting systems, setting the stage for constitutional realignment, and a 3rd trump term.

I truly want you all to understand this is a very real possibility, a likely possibility. Mobilize now. Make them uncomfortable, make them suffer, destroy them. It's the only thing their non critically thinking brains can understand.
 

“Here’s the thing: I’m willing to hazard that there is just about nothing—yes, nothing—that Trump and Musk are doing that was not already dreamt up in the philosophies of Rothbard and Francis. Whether it’s come to pass by their court intellectuals’ reading, some structural analogy between the movements to its forebears, or even demonic possession, it kind of doesn’t matter: it’s all there.

Consider “DOGE:” This is exactly the kind of wholesale attack on the state that the anarcho-capitalist Rothbard envisioned and desired. And consider the methods: the public smearing of civil servants and their agencies with misleading or downright false “revelations.” This corresponds precisely to Rothbard’s recommended adoption of McCarthyism as a political technique. What Rothbard understood was that McCarthy was undertaking not an attack on Communists so much as an attack on liberalism and institutions.”
 
Go for it. I fully agree with that diagnosis @Healing.

I think this dynamic has manifested itself well in the USAID crisis. People of our persuasion can see the obvious good that foreign aid does. Unfortunately, foreign aid remains one the top things Americans would like to see cut.

Instead of trying to convince people out of this, we need to focus on the core issues we can mobilize people on: education, healthcare, pocketbook issues.

Setting ourselves up as the noble defenders of USAID is only strengthening the picture of Democrats as defenders of crumbling institutions and Republicans as anti-establishment populists.
You're not wrong about this, but we should be able to talk about things like:

farmers losing crops because they were selling to USAID
the diplomats/USAID staffers in Congo who had to flee, leave all their belongings, and pay their own way home and have not received any reimbursement and don't know if they even had jobs.

You are right that going to bat for USAID itself is probably not a political winner. On the other hand, I don't think anyone really cares. Sometimes you have to shore up the base too.
 
You're not wrong about this, but we should be able to talk about things like:

farmers losing crops because they were selling to USAID
the diplomats/USAID staffers in Congo who had to flee, leave all their belongings, and pay their own way home and have not received any reimbursement and don't know if they even had jobs.

You are right that going to bat for USAID itself is probably not a political winner. On the other hand, I don't think anyone really cares. Sometimes you have to shore up the base too.
True. There are some specific examples within USAID that make sense for Dems in terms of highlighting a message of: here is what government does for you, even if you don’t see it. I think connecting these threads for Americans is crucial.

I’m interested to see how Dems respond to attempts to dismantle DoE and Medicaid because I think the case is a lot easier to make there. With USAID, people can just say outrageous things about Serbian DEI initiatives or gay theater productions since the effects of USAID aren’t acutely felt in the daily lives of *most* Americans.
 
True. There are some specific examples within USAID that make sense for Dems in terms of highlighting a message of: here is what government does for you, even if you don’t see it. I think connecting these threads for Americans is crucial.

I’m interested to see how Dems respond to attempts to dismantle DoE and Medicaid because I think the case is a lot easier to make there. With USAID, people can just say outrageous things about Serbian DEI initiatives or gay theater productions since the effects of USAID aren’t acutely felt in the daily lives of *most* Americans.
Talking about the Congo incident also reinforces the impression that Trump doesn't actually give a fuck about Americans. That conduct was way worse than Benghazi. To leave them out to dry like that is unconscionable, even if someone doesn't agree with their political program.

Medicaid is just a gift wrapped with a bow and placed on a platter. Absolutely the Dems will go after that. It's unclear, though, that it will pass. Valdao in CA (spelling is wrong) seems like an obvious no vote on that, and they have only one other vote to spare. Don Bacon is not necessarily a yes vote on that, and there are other Reps in swing districts who are going to be loathe to rip away health care.

Nonetheless, they put it in their budget, we should go after it.
 

House Republicans plot impeachment against judges blocking Trump, DOGE​


“… Rep. Eli Crane (R-Ariz.) said he is drafting articles of impeachment against Judge Paul Engelmayer of the Southern District of New York, who in a ruling last weekend temporarily restricted Musk and DOGE aides from accessing a Treasury Department payment system.

Rep. Andrew Clyde (R-Ga.) is working on an impeachment resolution against Rhode Island District Judge John McConnell Jr. over his ruling halting the Trump administration’s freeze on federal funding.

And Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Ga.), chair of the House Oversight Delivering on Government Efficiency Subcommittee, pledged in a hearing this week while referencing Engelmayer that “We will hold this judge and others who try to stop the will of the people and their elected leaders accountable.”

The actions follow the lead of Trump and the White House, with Trump press secretary Karoline Leavitt asserting Wednesday that “district court judges in liberal districts across the country are abusing their power to unilaterally block President Trump’s basic executive authority.” …”
 

House Republicans plot impeachment against judges blocking Trump, DOGE​


“… Rep. Eli Crane (R-Ariz.) said he is drafting articles of impeachment against Judge Paul Engelmayer of the Southern District of New York, who in a ruling last weekend temporarily restricted Musk and DOGE aides from accessing a Treasury Department payment system.

Rep. Andrew Clyde (R-Ga.) is working on an impeachment resolution against Rhode Island District Judge John McConnell Jr. over his ruling halting the Trump administration’s freeze on federal funding.

And Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Ga.), chair of the House Oversight Delivering on Government Efficiency Subcommittee, pledged in a hearing this week while referencing Engelmayer that “We will hold this judge and others who try to stop the will of the people and their elected leaders accountable.”

The actions follow the lead of Trump and the White House, with Trump press secretary Karoline Leavitt asserting Wednesday that “district court judges in liberal districts across the country are abusing their power to unilaterally block President Trump’s basic executive authority.” …”
They don’t have the votes in the Senate even if anything comes of it in the House, but certainly a form of attempted intimidation at minimum…
 
They don’t have the votes in the Senate even if anything comes of it in the House, but certainly a form of attempted intimidation at minimum…
My snap judgement is “fucking do it”.

Republicans are already a group of such unserious, but dangerous, clowns that anything resulting in public fiasco, I welcome. They’re going to create chaos, regardless, let them do so in a blatantly personal, corrupt, and anti rule of law manner.

Light it on fire, fuckers.
 

JD Vance breaks taboo by meeting with leader of Germany’s far-right party​

US vice-president meets with AfD leader Alice Weidel as Trump administration courts European populist parties


“… The meeting was the latest in a string of contacts between the party and figures close to Donald Trump. Elon Musk, the billionaire now leading a purge of the US federal government, has repeatedly claimed that “only the AfD can save Germany” and last month hosted Wiedel in a 75-minute live conversation on his social media platform, X.

Addressing the Munich security conference earlier on Friday, Vance admonished Europe’s leaders for refusing to work with their far-right parties.

…The move sent shockwaves through German political circles as the Trump administrationappeared to be making a large bet on some of the continent’s most toxic parties in opposition to the sitting governments in the UK, Germany and other major allies. …”





 

“…
STAT’s analysis of the data deleted since the inauguration show the word “gender” has drawn particular attention. This is not especially surprising, as many public health datasets capture data about gender and, until now, many datasets tended to use the terms “gender” and “sex” somewhat interchangeably. Trump’s executive order on “gender ideology”specifically forbids all federal agencies from using the word “gender” instead of “sex.” I identified at least 67 items that appear to have been removed specifically because they contain the word “gender,” regardless of the context in which it was used.

Other items seem to have run afoul of other flagged words and concepts. Notable examples include datasets related to the Youth Risk Behavior Surveillance System (YRBSS) and the Behavioral Risk Factor Surveillance System(BRFSS), which both capture data on now sensitive topics like gender identity and sexual orientation.

Curiously, the webpages for both of these datasets have been republished on the main CDC website following a court order. However, these datasets have not yet been republished to data.cdc.gov. …”

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Lots of detail in the linked article.
 
Founded in 2013 as an anti-European Union party, AfD has since radicalized and become an extremist, anti-immigrant party whose aim is “to eliminate the free democratic basic order,” according to a 2023 report by the German Institute for Human Rights.

The German Federal Office for the Protection of the Constitution (Bundesamt für Verfassungsschutz or BfV), its domestic intelligence agency which monitors extremist threats to Germany’s democracy, has listed AfD as an officially suspected extremist organization and classified its youth wing, “Young Alternative,” as extremist in April 2023. The state-level BfV offices in Saxony, Saxony-Anhalt, and Thuringia have gone a step further and classified the AfD party as a whole as extremist.

Björn Höcke, leader of the AfD party in the state of Thuringia, has twice been fined by a German court for using a banned Nazi slogan. The phrase, “Everything for Germany” (“Alles für Deutschland”) was a slogan of the Nazi stormtroopers and engraved on their daggers….called for Germany to stop atoning for Nazi crimes and make a "180-degree turn" in how it remembers its past.

Gauland also said in 2017 that Germans should be “proud of the achievements of German soldiers in two world wars.”

Höcke has engaged in extremist speech to the extent that a judge ruled that he could be described as a fascist without fear of a defamation suit, because such a description was a “value judgment based on facts.”

AfD leaders have also threatened to deport German citizens of non-ethnic-German heritage.

In its 2017 election manifesto, AfD asserted that the presence of Muslims in Germany was a threat to the country: “Islam does not belong in Germany. The AfD sees the spread of Islam and the presence of over 5 million Muslims, whose numbers are constantly growing, as a great danger to our state, our society and our system of values.”[2]

AfD members were exposed as participants in a November 2023 secret meeting of far-right extremists in Potsdam, including Austrian neo-Nazi Martin Sellner, who discussed a mass deportation plan for foreigners and "non-assimilated" Germans, as part of AfD’s strategy should it be elected to govern Germany.

Following the exposure of the secret meeting, AfD politicians initially denied participating, but just weeks later began actively campaigning with the slogan, “remigration,” which was the term used at the meeting for the mass deportation plan.


The US government is intentionally elevating the profile of a German christonationlist, white supremacist, party.

If ten people are at dinner, and one of them is a Nazi …
 
Founded in 2013 as an anti-European Union party, AfD has since radicalized and become an extremist, anti-immigrant party whose aim is “to eliminate the free democratic basic order,” according to a 2023 report by the German Institute for Human Rights.

The German Federal Office for the Protection of the Constitution (Bundesamt für Verfassungsschutz or BfV), its domestic intelligence agency which monitors extremist threats to Germany’s democracy, has listed AfD as an officially suspected extremist organization and classified its youth wing, “Young Alternative,” as extremist in April 2023. The state-level BfV offices in Saxony, Saxony-Anhalt, and Thuringia have gone a step further and classified the AfD party as a whole as extremist.

Björn Höcke, leader of the AfD party in the state of Thuringia, has twice been fined by a German court for using a banned Nazi slogan. The phrase, “Everything for Germany” (“Alles für Deutschland”) was a slogan of the Nazi stormtroopers and engraved on their daggers….called for Germany to stop atoning for Nazi crimes and make a "180-degree turn" in how it remembers its past.

Gauland also said in 2017 that Germans should be “proud of the achievements of German soldiers in two world wars.”

Höcke has engaged in extremist speech to the extent that a judge ruled that he could be described as a fascist without fear of a defamation suit, because such a description was a “value judgment based on facts.”

AfD leaders have also threatened to deport German citizens of non-ethnic-German heritage.

In its 2017 election manifesto, AfD asserted that the presence of Muslims in Germany was a threat to the country: “Islam does not belong in Germany. The AfD sees the spread of Islam and the presence of over 5 million Muslims, whose numbers are constantly growing, as a great danger to our state, our society and our system of values.”[2]

AfD members were exposed as participants in a November 2023 secret meeting of far-right extremists in Potsdam, including Austrian neo-Nazi Martin Sellner, who discussed a mass deportation plan for foreigners and "non-assimilated" Germans, as part of AfD’s strategy should it be elected to govern Germany.

Following the exposure of the secret meeting, AfD politicians initially denied participating, but just weeks later began actively campaigning with the slogan, “remigration,” which was the term used at the meeting for the mass deportation plan.


The US government is intentionally elevating the profile of a German christonationlist, white supremacist, party.

If ten people are at dinner, and one of them is a Nazi …
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