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I'm ok with bringing in the 'best of the best' or 'top 0.1%' - and it seems like ending the H1B lottery and replacing it with filling the spots by ranking the highest paid positions would possibly address this (and surely create some unforeseen consequence). The big issue I have with the current H1B program is companies using it for cheap workers rather than highly skilled workers.
I live in Charlotte and BofA, Wells, Ally, etc all have hordes of entry level H1B workers doing mundane tasks like writing reports, testing software, or being a sysadmin. I'm all for bringing in the Werner Von Brauns of A.I. or chip making - superstars to LEAD areas that we want to excel in. Not just cheap labor for companies because they don't want to hire and train folks out of local community colleges or lower tier universities.
Also agree that if someone has taken up a spot in our education system it does us well to let them stay here and reap the benefits of that education - otherwise I'd question why we didn't give that spot in the university to a citizen.
 
NCK9 said:
I'm ok with bringing in the 'best of the best' or 'top 0.1%' - and it seems like ending the H1B lottery and replacing it with filling the spots by ranking the highest paid positions would possibly address this (and surely create some unforeseen consequence). The big issue I have with the current H1B program is companies using it for cheap workers rather than highly skilled workers.
I live in Charlotte and BofA, Wells, Ally, etc all have hordes of entry level H1B workers doing mundane tasks like writing reports, testing software, or being a sysadmin. I'm all for bringing in the Werner Von Brauns of A.I. or chip making - superstars to LEAD areas that we want to excel in. Not just cheap labor for companies because they don't want to hire and train folks out of local community colleges or lower tier universities.
Also agree that if someone has taken up a spot in our education system it does us well to let them stay here and reap the benefits of that education - otherwise I'd question why we didn't give that spot in the university to a citizen.
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1. As much as I love Charlotte, the Werner von Brauns are not coming here to write reports and test software for BoA, Wells, Ally, etc.

2. Those companies are already hiring heavily from local and regional community colleges, UNCC, etc. MANY of those students were born in other countries. But there still aren't enough to fill the demand.

3. I fixed this sentence for you, as I think you may have mistyped a few things: "I live in Charlotte and BofA, Wells, Ally, etc all have hordes of entry level H1B workers doing mundane tasks like spending money at our stores and restaurants, joining our churches and other places of worship, volunteering at our nonprofits, and making the community a much more energetic, interesting and fun place to live."
 
lawtig02 said:
1. As much as I love Charlotte, the Werner von Brauns are not coming here to write reports and test software for BoA, Wells, Ally, etc.
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We need the rocket scientists helping us with things like AI and chipmaking. Not banking reports. If we still have open spots after filling the highest paid/skilled spots then, sure, bring in folks to help with the mundane tasks.
lawtig02 said:
2. Those companies are already hiring heavily from local and regional community colleges, UNCC, etc. MANY of those students were born in other countries. But there still aren't enough to fill the demand.
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Aren't enough to fill the demand - at the current wages and working conditions.
lawtig02 said:
3. I fixed this sentence for you, as I think you may have mistyped a few things: "I live in Charlotte and BofA, Wells, Ally, etc all have hordes of entry level H1B workers doing mundane tasks like spending money at our stores and restaurants, joining our churches and other places of worship, volunteering at our nonprofits, and making the community a much more energetic, interesting and fun place to live."
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Any local hired workers would do that too - but certainly a valid point that we need to be careful that these roles aren't just sent overseas if we make them too expensive to fill.
 
NCK9 said:
I'm ok with bringing in the 'best of the best' or 'top 0.1%' - and it seems like ending the H1B lottery and replacing it with filling the spots by ranking the highest paid positions would possibly address this (and surely create some unforeseen consequence). The big issue I have with the current H1B program is companies using it for cheap workers rather than highly skilled workers.
I live in Charlotte and BofA, Wells, Ally, etc all have hordes of entry level H1B workers doing mundane tasks like writing reports, testing software, or being a sysadmin. I'm all for bringing in the Werner Von Brauns of A.I. or chip making - superstars to LEAD areas that we want to excel in. Not just cheap labor for companies because they don't want to hire and train folks out of local community colleges or lower tier universities.
Also agree that if someone has taken up a spot in our education system it does us well to let them stay here and reap the benefits of that education - otherwise I'd question why we didn't give that spot in the university to a citizen.
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The thing you must understand is that the rest of your political party doesn't give a fuck about your experience or reality.

Watching your enlightened, paternalistic Western chauvinism clash with their blunt force trauma racism is funny as fuck tho, so continue to rock out.
 
wmheel1287 said:
American voters don't think. Period. They don't. Pretending they do is a fool's errand. We are a nation of absolute morons in most every way.
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Keep thinking that way as that's a sure fire way to regain power.

The US is simply following the Western World's general rejection of governments ruled by Elites with their excessive regulations, wokeness, nanny state rule making, green agenda and open borders. You see this change throughout Western Europe and Canada. A lot of this is in reaction to the heavy handedness of these governments during COVID. Normal people of the World Unite!
 
NCK9 said:
We need the rocket scientists helping us with things like AI and chipmaking. Not banking reports. If we still have open spots after filling the highest paid/skilled spots then, sure, bring in folks to help with the mundane tasks.

Aren't enough to fill the demand - at the current wages and working conditions.

Any local hired workers would do that too - but certainly a valid point that we need to be careful that these roles aren't just sent overseas if we make them too expensive to fill.
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We ARE bringing in the best of the best. And some of them are in Charlotte. But the big banks still need people to do the work, and there just aren't enough people locally to fill those roles.

The big banks pay foreign workers the same as local residents for the same jobs. I'm not sure what you mean by "current wages and working conditions."

One of Charlotte's greatest attributes is its geography. You can get to downtown Charlotte or the work-centers in Mallard Creek, Belmont, Steele Creek, Fort Mill, Stallings, etc. with relatively minimal commute time. And the community colleges across the region are really, really good. They all coordinate (even across the NC-SC border), and they train students for the jobs available in the market. It's also one of the fastest growing metro regions in the country. AND YET, there are not enough US-born workers to fill the insatiable demands from the businesses located here. Not just the big banks, but all the businesses that are growing and relocating here on an annual basis. If you care about Charlotte, you will support a relatively free and open immigration policy. Our economy -- our community -- depends on it. That's what's in the best interest of every person in the Charlotte metro area, whether US-born or not.
 
Ramrouser said:
Keep thinking that way as that's a sure fire way to regain power.

The US is simply following the Western World's general rejection of governments ruled by Elites with their excessive regulations, wokeness, nanny state rule making, green agenda and open borders. You see this change throughout Western Europe and Canada. A lot of this is in reaction to the heavy handedness of these governments during COVID. Normal people of the World Unite!
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So, trump, musk, and vivek are not elites?

You're a lawyer that lives in Buckhead, one of the priciest most affluent parts of Atlanta, you don't believe that the average Joe sees you as elite?

I believe you actually proved @wmheel1287 point about voters not thinking.
 
Ramrouser said:
Keep thinking that way as that's a sure fire way to regain power.

The US is simply following the Western World's general rejection of governments ruled by Elites with their excessive regulations, wokeness, nanny state rule making, green agenda and open borders. You see this change throughout Western Europe and Canada. A lot of this is in reaction to the heavy handedness of these governments during COVID. Normal people of the World Unite!
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100%. They even made a MOVIE about this more than a decade ago. How could Dems be so stupid?

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You know I'm so torn when it comes to the "Fuck around and find out" mentality.

But shit like this: "A lot of this is in reaction to the heavy handedness of these governments during COVID." really does make one consider how it would be nice to have just had a government that did nothing, so we could see the results.

Maybe next pandemic our government will have learned and will just let people die and let hospitals and our medical system be overwhelmed.

Then maybe people would see that the 99.9% survival rate that some like to throw around was highly influenced by our practices. If we had simply carried on as usual, like so many claim they wanted, the survival rate would not have been as high. But some just don't seem to realize that.

It reminds me of all the people that claimed that Y2K amounted to nothing, not realizing the millions of hours that went into fixing things so that we didn't see a collapse. They seem to think that it was some kind of hoax.
 
Ramrouser said:
Keep thinking that way as that's a sure fire way to regain power.

The US is simply following the Western World's general rejection of governments ruled by Elites with their excessive regulations, wokeness, nanny state rule making, green agenda and open borders. You see this change throughout Western Europe and Canada. A lot of this is in reaction to the heavy handedness of these governments during COVID. Normal people of the World Unite!
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Yes because they’d rather be ruled by oligarchs. Oh wait, aren’t those people elite?
 
UNCatTech said:
You know I'm so torn when it comes to the "Fuck around and find out" mentality.

But shit like this: "A lot of this is in reaction to the heavy handedness of these governments during COVID." really does make one consider how it would be nice to have just had a government that did nothing, so we could see the results.

Maybe next pandemic our government will have learned and will just let people die and let hospitals and our medical system be overwhelmed.

Then maybe people would see that the 99.9% survival rate that some like to throw around was highly influenced by our practices. If we had simply carried on as usual, like so many claim they wanted, the survival rate would not have been as high. But some just don't seem to realize that.

It reminds me of all the people that claimed that Y2K amounted to nothing, not realizing the millions of hours that went into fixing things so that we didn't see a collapse. They seem to think that it was some kind of hoax.
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And the survival rate wasn't the only and in some ways even the most pressing issue. I've relayed this anecdote before, but my aunt who I care for had a stroke during covid. I had to sit with her on a gurney by the nurses station for over 24 hours before they could even get her in one of those temporary rooms with a curtain because the hospital was so overwhelmed with covid cases. I can only imagine what it would have been like if we just left everything open. But as I predicted long ago on IC, like always MAGA would re-write what happened into a nothingburger.
 
Vivek is the living and breathing embodiment of the immigrant experience in the US. He's elite now but he worked for it.
Elon is a unicorn with an unbelievable work ethic who's the modern day Thomas Edison/Henry Ford. He doesn't even have a house as he routinely sleeps at his factories and businesses.
Trump is the billionaire common man who's spent time on construction sites his entire career and KNOWS HOW to talk and interact with working men and women.

As for Liberal Elites think of the way Kamala, John Kerry, and Trudeau speak and relate to ordinary "folks." I'm referring to the modern, metropolitan elite whose education and associations have opened doors to affluence and power without actually working for a living and creating anything of value. These are the individuals who have been running the governments and bureaucracies of the US, Canada and Europe.
 
Ramrouser said:
Vivek is the living and breathing embodiment of the immigrant experience in the US. He's elite now but he worked for it.
Elon is a unicorn with an unbelievable work ethic who's the modern day Thomas Edison/Henry Ford. He doesn't even have a house as he routinely sleeps at his factories and businesses.
Trump is the billionaire common man who's spent time on construction sites his entire career and KNOWS HOW to talk and interact with working men and women.

As for Liberal Elites think of the way Kamala, John Kerry, and Trudeau speak and relate to ordinary "folks." I'm referring to the modern, metropolitan elite whose education and associations have opened doors to affluence and power without actually working for a living and creating anything of value. These are the individuals who have been running the governments and bureaucracies of the US, Canada and Europe.
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Vivek was born in Cincinnati.

Seriously, did you know that?
 
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