Trump / Musk (other than DOGE)

[Badbehavior1015]

This thread is about Trump's deportation plan, so I'm just pointing out that what you proposed isn't what he ran on. If you didn't vote for him that's great, but don't expect your preference to be honored because guys like Tom Homon and Stephen Miller aren't stopping at the prisons and homeless. That wouldn't even scratch the surface of what they want to do.

Had to revive this post. So, I was wrong. I was wrong for thinking Trump would go to the prisons first then go after homeless illegals. I admit I was wrong but I am glad I was wrong. They are going after the violent criminals that should be in jail but are not due to whatever dumb reason the courts could come up with. Especially sanctuary cities...Boston, Chicago, Denver, etc, were hit the quickest. Check this guy out.



Can anyone explain to me why what ICE doing this is bad?

 

[finesse]

I'm fine with legal immigration. We should have a robust immigration policy. That's different than obvious backdooring of the system.

Legal immigration is a term without meaning when referring to 1868.

 

[ZenMode]

I'd conjecture that possibility crossed their mind and they could have limited it. What do you think? Were they so stupid they overlooked the possibility of abuse or thought that this should be a broad principle broadly applied?

I'm not going to pretend to know what the FFs were considering at the time.

 

[finesse]

I'm not going to pretend to know what the FFs were considering at the time.

But you have no problem second guessing them?

 

[lawtig02]

I'm not going to pretend to know what the FFs were considering at the time.

The Founding Fathers were a little aged in 1868.

 

[finesse]

The Founding Fathers were a little aged in 1868.

It's just so much easier for him to argue in a fact free universe.

 

[ZenMode]

Legal immigration is a term without meaning when referring to 1868.

Ok.

 

[lawtig02]

It's just so much easier for him to argue in a fact free universe.

I'm really worried about Zen. Stroke? Dementia? His trolling used to be 8 out of 10. He's dropped precipitously to 2, maybe 3 at best.

 

[BlooVooDoo]

I'm not going to pretend to know what the FFs were considering at the time.

They were dead, so we don’t have to pretend to know.

 

[ZenMode]

The Founding Fathers were a little aged in 1868.

It's a general reference to all of the semi-original designers of most of the Constitution. I didn't have an easier term. Really old guys from back in the day?

 

[finesse]

I'm really worried about Zen. Stroke? Dementia? His trolling used to be 8 out of 10. He's dropped precipitously to 2, maybe 3 at best.

It's a lot harder to stand out as controversial in the current administration.

 

[ZenMode]

I'm really worried about Zen. Stroke? Dementia? His trolling used to be 8 out of 10. He's dropped precipitously to 2, maybe 3 at best.

Really? You think it's THAT unreasonable to say that some of the uses of BRC appear to be clear abuses of the original intention?

You guys are just a tad dogmatic, IMO.

 

[lawtig02]

It's a general reference to all of the semi-original designers of most of the Constitution. I didn't have an easier term. Really old guys from back in the day?

So is MLK a Founding Father?

 

[finesse]

Really? You think it's THAT unreasonable to say that some of the uses of BRC appear to be clear abuses of the original intention?

You guys are just a tad dogmatic, IMO.

And you're trying to have it both ways. You claim there are clear abuses of original intent and then when challenged this is your response. Can you say a mental and moral midget.

I'm not going to pretend to know what the FFs were considering at the time.

 

[sringwal]

So you don't think immigration was happening in 1868?

Of course not! It's not like the country needed cheap labor, after the Civil War, to build things like transcontinental railroads.

 

[Kraftyheel89]

Need your help NYC! Where does this belong? In the trash heap if you ask me.

A House Resolution has been introduced to allow Trump a third term. I will try to find a good link.

So many crazy things coming out daily, this would normally deserve it's own thread it is so outlandish.

But how many of us predicted this very thing along with so much of the other mess? I believe cowardly MAGAs refer to this as TDS.

Congressman pushes amendment to allow Trump a 3rd term — but not Obama, Clinton or Bush

A congressman is pushing for a law change that would allow President Trump to run for a third term — but would prevent other living presidents from returning to the White House.

nypost.com

 

[finesse]

I think this is just an "Own the libs" thing at this point. It could go in that direction seriously but not yet.

 

[lawtig02]

Of course not! It's not like the country needed cheap labor, after the Civil War, to build things like transcontinental railroads.

I’m also really glad the Union wasn’t distracted by immigration when filling out the ranks of the army that preserved our republic.

 

[lawtig02]

I think this is just an "Own the libs" thing at this point. It could go in that direction seriously but not yet.

Agree. This is a feint in the flood the zone strategy.

 

[finesse]

I’m also really glad the Union wasn’t distracted by immigration when filling out the ranks of the army that preserved our republic.

They must have been blind. Look at what they allowed to happen.


In 1860, about 13% of the U.S. population was born overseas—roughly what it is today. One in every four members of the Union armed forces was an immigrant, some 543,000 of the more than 2 million Union soldiers by recent estimates. Another 18% had at least one foreign-born parent.