Trump / Musk (other than DOGE)

[lawtig02]

It was an Amendment put into place to address the children of slaves. Their parents were treated like property and forced to come to the US against their will. That's much different than a woman waddling across the border at the 11th hour just to have a baby on US soil, so he/she is legally a citizen.

So you don't think immigration was happening in 1868?

 

[finesse]

It was an Amendment put into place to address the children of slaves. Their parents were treated like property and forced to come to the US against their will. That's much different than a woman waddling across the border at the 11th hour just to have a baby on US soil, so he/she is legally a citizen.

I'd conjecture that possibility crossed their mind and they could have limited it. What do you think? Were they so stupid they overlooked the possibility of abuse or thought that this should be a broad principle broadly applied?

 

[Zoo_View]

So you don't think immigration was happening in 1868?

Well, no one was waddling across the Rio Grande to birth a new American citizen.

 

[ZenMode]

So you don't think immigration was happening in 1868?

I'm fine with legal immigration. We should have a robust immigration policy. That's different than obvious backdooring of the system.

 

[lawtig02]

I'd conjecture that possibility crossed their mind and they could have limited it. What do you think? Were they so stupid they overlooked the possibility of abuse or thought that this should be a broad principle broadly applied?

Could someone who knows Zen in real life check on him? I know he's always been a little trollish, but his posts in the last couple of days make me concerned he might have had a stroke or something.

 

[Badbehavior1015]

This thread is about Trump's deportation plan, so I'm just pointing out that what you proposed isn't what he ran on. If you didn't vote for him that's great, but don't expect your preference to be honored because guys like Tom Homon and Stephen Miller aren't stopping at the prisons and homeless. That wouldn't even scratch the surface of what they want to do.

Had to revive this post. So, I was wrong. I was wrong for thinking Trump would go to the prisons first then go after homeless illegals. I admit I was wrong but I am glad I was wrong. They are going after the violent criminals that should be in jail but are not due to whatever dumb reason the courts could come up with. Especially sanctuary cities...Boston, Chicago, Denver, etc, were hit the quickest. Check this guy out.



Can anyone explain to me why what ICE doing this is bad?

 

[finesse]

I'm fine with legal immigration. We should have a robust immigration policy. That's different than obvious backdooring of the system.

Legal immigration is a term without meaning when referring to 1868.

 

[ZenMode]

I'd conjecture that possibility crossed their mind and they could have limited it. What do you think? Were they so stupid they overlooked the possibility of abuse or thought that this should be a broad principle broadly applied?

I'm not going to pretend to know what the FFs were considering at the time.

 

[finesse]

I'm not going to pretend to know what the FFs were considering at the time.

But you have no problem second guessing them?

 

[lawtig02]

I'm not going to pretend to know what the FFs were considering at the time.

The Founding Fathers were a little aged in 1868.

 

[finesse]

The Founding Fathers were a little aged in 1868.

It's just so much easier for him to argue in a fact free universe.

 

[ZenMode]

Legal immigration is a term without meaning when referring to 1868.

Ok.

 

[lawtig02]

It's just so much easier for him to argue in a fact free universe.

I'm really worried about Zen. Stroke? Dementia? His trolling used to be 8 out of 10. He's dropped precipitously to 2, maybe 3 at best.

 

[BlooVooDoo]

I'm not going to pretend to know what the FFs were considering at the time.

They were dead, so we don’t have to pretend to know.

 

[ZenMode]

The Founding Fathers were a little aged in 1868.

It's a general reference to all of the semi-original designers of most of the Constitution. I didn't have an easier term. Really old guys from back in the day?

 

[finesse]

I'm really worried about Zen. Stroke? Dementia? His trolling used to be 8 out of 10. He's dropped precipitously to 2, maybe 3 at best.

It's a lot harder to stand out as controversial in the current administration.

 

[ZenMode]

I'm really worried about Zen. Stroke? Dementia? His trolling used to be 8 out of 10. He's dropped precipitously to 2, maybe 3 at best.

Really? You think it's THAT unreasonable to say that some of the uses of BRC appear to be clear abuses of the original intention?

You guys are just a tad dogmatic, IMO.

 

[lawtig02]

It's a general reference to all of the semi-original designers of most of the Constitution. I didn't have an easier term. Really old guys from back in the day?

So is MLK a Founding Father?

 

[finesse]

Really? You think it's THAT unreasonable to say that some of the uses of BRC appear to be clear abuses of the original intention?

You guys are just a tad dogmatic, IMO.

And you're trying to have it both ways. You claim there are clear abuses of original intent and then when challenged this is your response. Can you say a mental and moral midget.

I'm not going to pretend to know what the FFs were considering at the time.

 

[sringwal]

So you don't think immigration was happening in 1868?

Of course not! It's not like the country needed cheap labor, after the Civil War, to build things like transcontinental railroads.