Trump / Musk (other than DOGE)

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rodoheel said:
Imagine someone saying with a straight face that they're "aspirationally Jewish" and "Jewish by association" in response to claims of antisemitism, lol. Next-level version of "lots of my friends are black!"
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He’s like George Santos. He’s Jew-ish.
 
lawtig02 said:
My vague sense is that the EO tracks the two-person dissent from Wong Kim Ark, which basically settled the birthright citizenship question back in 1898. So MAGA is now literally reaching back to failed arguments from the 19th century to take constitutional rights away.
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rodoheel said:
Appropriate to this thread, here’s a piece about why it doesn’t matter if Trump et al are literally Nazis, as their immigration policies in particular display classic fascist tendencies:

slate.com

Turns Out Everyone Was Wrong About the “Resistance” to Trump This Time

This is not shaping up to be the kind of regime that you want to be remembered for collaborating with.
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After a recent relisten of about ten hours worth of Mussolini podcasts, the number of similarities with ttump are so high as to be scripted. It’s like Stephen Miller and Heritage have taken Mussolini vignettes out of an eighth grade history textbook, enter them into the teleprompter, and their Manchurian candidate brings it to life.

I mean, we’re talking down to the exaggerated white bandage on a superficial head wound, following an assassination attempt.
 
Healing said:
After a recent relisten of about ten hours worth of Mussolini podcasts, the number of similarities with ttump are so high as to be scripted. It’s like Stephen Miller and Heritage have taken Mussolini vignettes out of an eighth grade history textbook, enter them into the teleprompter, and their Manchurian candidate brings it to life.

I mean, we’re talking down to the exaggerated white bandage on a superficial head wound, following an assassination attempt.
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Would genuinely love to hear more — maybe this thread can become a weird overlaps catch-all (not because I object to discussing it here but because that topic and your post seem to dovetail nicely):

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Politics Post in thread '“Night of Camp David” - was forgotten 1965 novel accidentally prophetic?'

I bought that book during Trump's first term but never got around to reading it. I guess it's time for me to take it off the shelf and begin to read...
 
Healing said:
After a recent relisten of about ten hours worth of Mussolini podcasts, the number of similarities with ttump are so high as to be scripted. It’s like Stephen Miller and Heritage have taken Mussolini vignettes out of an eighth grade history textbook, enter them into the teleprompter, and their Manchurian candidate brings it to life.

I mean, we’re talking down to the exaggerated white bandage on a superficial head wound, following an assassination attempt.
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I guess they skipped the end.
 
gtyellowjacket said:
As expected, a judge blocked Trump's executive order ending birthright citizenship.

abcnews.go.com

Judge temporarily blocks Trump's executive order on birthright citizenship, calling it 'blatantly unconstitutional'

A federal judge in Seattle has signed a temporary restraining order blocking President Donald Trump’s executive order on birthright citizenship.
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I don't think there's any way he will be allowed to completely get rid of birthright citizenship, nor do I think he should be able to. Since he is already taking us down this path, I would like to see certain actions changed. Birth tourism can go away, as can the situations where women literally walk a half mile into the US and have a baby. I'm sure both of those are rare, but they seem to be clear abuses of the intent of the Constitution.
 
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ZenMode said:
I don't think there's any way he will be allowed to completely get rid of birthright citizenship, nor do I think he should be able to. Since he is already taking us down this path, I would like to see certain actions changed. Birth tourism can go away. As can the situations where women literally walk a half mile into the US and have a baby. I'm sure both of those are rare, but they seem to be clear abuses of the intent of the Constitution.
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Why? It's not like the Constitution establishes any immigration policies. Hell, it was the 1880s before we restricted immigration and that was directed at the Chinese.
 
finesse said:
Why? It's not like the Constitution establishes any immigration policies. Hell, it was the 1880s before we restricted immigration and that was directed at the Chinese.
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I'm not sure what you are asking "why?" in regard to.
 
ZenMode said:
I don't think there's any way he will be allowed to completely get rid of birthright citizenship, nor do I think he should be able to. Since he is already taking us down this path, I would like to see certain actions changed. Birth tourism can go away, as can the situations where women literally walk a half mile into the US and have a baby. I'm sure both of those are rare, but they seem to be clear abuses of the intent of the Constitution.
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So, you think he can't get rid of birthright citizenship, but he should be allowed to get rid of birthright citizenship? Just trying to understand your position here.
 
ZenMode said:
He doesn't really strike me as the neo Nazi type.

Elon Musk says he's 'Jewish by association' after Auschwitz visit, sees 'almost no antisemitism'
“I’m aspirationally Jewish,” Musk said. “So I was like, ‘What are people talking about with this antisemitism?’ Because I never hear it at dinner conversations."

Elon Musk said he is "Jewish by association" during a conversation with conservative commentator Ben Shapiro after a visit to the former Nazi concentration camp in Auschwitz, Poland.

Musk, the Tesla CEO and owner of social media platform X, made the comments during a conference on antisemitism organized by the European Jewish Association. The association had arranged for Musk to make a private visit to Auschwitz, where an estimated 1.1 million Jewish people were killed during the Holocaust.

"I must admit to being somewhat frankly naive about this. In the circles that I move, I see almost no antisemitism. ... Two-thirds of my friends are Jewish," the billionaire tech mogul said in a video posted on YouTube by Bloomberg Technology. "I have twice as many Jewish friends as non-Jewish friends. I’m like Jewish by association."

The association organized the visit to address a worldwide surge of antisemitism after the start of the Israel-Hamas war in Gaza.

www.nbcnews.com

Elon Musk says he's 'Jewish by association' after Auschwitz visit, sees 'almost no antisemitism'

“I’m aspirationally Jewish,” Musk said. “So I was like, ‘What are people talking about with this antisemitism?’ Because I never hear it at dinner conversations."
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I mean, I guess she's agreeing with you, in the most embarrassing possible way for you.
 
lawtig02 said:
So, you think he can't get rid of birthright citizenship, but he should be allowed to get rid of birthright citizenship? Just trying to understand your position here.
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I don't think he should be able to do what he is doing. The use of pardons and executive order, recently, is getting to be ridiculous. However, since We are already going down a path that is destined to end at the Supreme Court, I would not mind if certain aspects of birthright citizenship were removed, even if it's under completely inappropriate circumstances.
 
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