Trump / Musk (other than DOGE)

[lawtig02]

I guess they skipped the end.

That may be the best case scenario.

 

[StrangePackage]

That may be the best case scenario.

In my opinion the best case scenario is skipping to the end.

We will agree to disagree I guess.

 

[TangledUpInBlue06]

˙puǝ ǝɥʇ pǝddᴉʞs ʎǝɥʇ ssǝnƃ I

FIFY

 

[Healing]

I guess they skipped the end.

Every asshole thinks they're a better asshole than the last asshole. Rarely can one fix the self certainty of anti-social personalities.

 

[BlooVooDoo]

Yes I get it but see that my post could easily be read otherwise.

That’s what I thought you were saying.

 

[Geisterfahrer]

Pretty funny and apropos since Musk is actively promoting the far right (neo-Nazi ?) party in Germany.

That is outstanding work.

 

[ZenMode]

As expected, a judge blocked Trump's executive order ending birthright citizenship.

Judge temporarily blocks Trump's executive order on birthright citizenship, calling it 'blatantly unconstitutional'

A federal judge in Seattle has signed a temporary restraining order blocking President Donald Trump’s executive order on birthright citizenship.

abcnews.go.com

I don't think there's any way he will be allowed to completely get rid of birthright citizenship, nor do I think he should be able to. Since he is already taking us down this path, I would like to see certain actions changed. Birth tourism can go away, as can the situations where women literally walk a half mile into the US and have a baby. I'm sure both of those are rare, but they seem to be clear abuses of the intent of the Constitution.

 

[finesse]

I don't think there's any way he will be allowed to completely get rid of birthright citizenship, nor do I think he should be able to. Since he is already taking us down this path, I would like to see certain actions changed. Birth tourism can go away. As can the situations where women literally walk a half mile into the US and have a baby. I'm sure both of those are rare, but they seem to be clear abuses of the intent of the Constitution.

Why? It's not like the Constitution establishes any immigration policies. Hell, it was the 1880s before we restricted immigration and that was directed at the Chinese.

 

[ZenMode]

Why? It's not like the Constitution establishes any immigration policies. Hell, it was the 1880s before we restricted immigration and that was directed at the Chinese.

I'm not sure what you are asking "why?" in regard to.

 

[lawtig02]

I don't think there's any way he will be allowed to completely get rid of birthright citizenship, nor do I think he should be able to. Since he is already taking us down this path, I would like to see certain actions changed. Birth tourism can go away, as can the situations where women literally walk a half mile into the US and have a baby. I'm sure both of those are rare, but they seem to be clear abuses of the intent of the Constitution.

So, you think he can't get rid of birthright citizenship, but he should be allowed to get rid of birthright citizenship? Just trying to understand your position here.

 

[StrangePackage]

He doesn't really strike me as the neo Nazi type.

Elon Musk says he's 'Jewish by association' after Auschwitz visit, sees 'almost no antisemitism'
“I’m aspirationally Jewish,” Musk said. “So I was like, ‘What are people talking about with this antisemitism?’ Because I never hear it at dinner conversations."

Elon Musk said he is "Jewish by association" during a conversation with conservative commentator Ben Shapiro after a visit to the former Nazi concentration camp in Auschwitz, Poland.

Musk, the Tesla CEO and owner of social media platform X, made the comments during a conference on antisemitism organized by the European Jewish Association. The association had arranged for Musk to make a private visit to Auschwitz, where an estimated 1.1 million Jewish people were killed during the Holocaust.

"I must admit to being somewhat frankly naive about this. In the circles that I move, I see almost no antisemitism. ... Two-thirds of my friends are Jewish," the billionaire tech mogul said in a video posted on YouTube by Bloomberg Technology. "I have twice as many Jewish friends as non-Jewish friends. I’m like Jewish by association."

The association organized the visit to address a worldwide surge of antisemitism after the start of the Israel-Hamas war in Gaza.

Elon Musk says he's 'Jewish by association' after Auschwitz visit, sees 'almost no antisemitism'

“I’m aspirationally Jewish,” Musk said. “So I was like, ‘What are people talking about with this antisemitism?’ Because I never hear it at dinner conversations."

www.nbcnews.com

I mean, I guess she's agreeing with you, in the most embarrassing possible way for you.

 

[ZenMode]

So, you think he can't get rid of birthright citizenship, but he should be allowed to get rid of birthright citizenship? Just trying to understand your position here.

I don't think he should be able to do what he is doing. The use of pardons and executive order, recently, is getting to be ridiculous. However, since We are already going down a path that is destined to end at the Supreme Court, I would not mind if certain aspects of birthright citizenship were removed, even if it's under completely inappropriate circumstances.

 

[finesse]

I'm not sure what you are asking "why?" in regard to.

Why do you think that birth tourism is unconstitutional? It was permitted for decades before there were even immigration restrictions. Are you telling me that something that was allowed under the Constitution became illegal and unconstitutional because of the passing of racist immigration laws? Tht's some seriously shallow thinking in my book.

 

[lawtig02]

I don't think he should be able to do what he is doing. The use of pardons and executive order, recently, is getting to be ridiculous. However, since We are already going down a path that is destined to end at the Supreme Court, I would not mind if certain aspects of birthright citizenship were removed, Even if it's under completely inappropriate circumstances.

"Aspects" of birthright citizenship? The whole concept of birthright citizenship is that if you're born here, you're a citizen (unless your parents are diplomats). Not a whole lot of gray area to work with there.

 

[Healing]

It’s just another one of Zen’s baited hooks, see “the Nazi poster is kinda funny”.

 

[ZenMode]

Why do you think that birth tourism is unconstitutional? It was permitted for decades before there were even immigration restrictions. Are you telling me that something that was allowed under the Constitution became illegal and unconstitutional because of the passing of racist immigration laws? Tht's some seriously shallow thinking in my book.

I think if you compare the original basis for BRC vs how it's being implemented now, there is a big gap.

 

[sringwal]

I think if you compare the original basis for BRC vs how it's being implemented now, there is a big gap.

I think you are confusing amendment numbers.

 

[finesse]

A big enough change that the Constitution should be modified? Give me these terribly high numbers and the great damage that it's caused to justify what you want.

 

[BlooVooDoo]

I think if you compare the original basis for BRC vs how it's being implemented now, there is a big gap.

Walk us through it.

 

[ZenMode]

"Aspects" of birthright citizenship? The whole concept of birthright citizenship is that if you're born here, you're a citizen (unless your parents are diplomats). Not a whole lot of gray area to work with there.

It was an Amendment put into place to address the children of slaves. Their parents were treated like property and forced to come to the US against their will. That's much different than a woman waddling across the border at the 11th hour just to have a baby on US soil, so he/she is legally a citizen.