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Trump / Musk (other than DOGE)
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HandsonFire
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Trump is a despicable human being. I don’t have any respect for any Pub who bought his bullshit. Meant to say Elon but the statement applies to both.
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One of those with a big yellow stripe down its back.
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Analysis: As Trump team overhauls government, a constitutional crisis looms
“Vice President JD Vance, Elon Musk and others in the Trump administration are openly challenging the centuries-old power of the nation’s judiciary, foreshadowing a possible constitutional breakdown of American government.
It’s not simply that the new administration has flouted a raft of federal statutes and prompted a flood of legal challenges. It’s that some of Donald Trump’s top advisers have cast doubt on whether rulings on those lawsuits would even constrain the president.
There are signs that some judges’ orders have been disregarded. On Monday, a federal judge in Rhode Island found that the administration has violated the “plain text” of his earlier order unfreezing billions of dollars in federal aid. The judge directed funding to be reinstated to environmental, health and other programs that had been cut off.
In a separate case Monday, in Washington, DC, federal employees told a judge that the administration had failed to reinstate USAID workers who were put on leave.
… Chief Justice John Roberts may have presaged the turn of events six weeks ago as he warned at the end of December that “elected officials from across the political spectrum have raised the specter of open disregard for federal court rulings. These dangerous suggestions, however sporadic, must be soundly rejected.” …”
tallheel95
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This sounds so dramatic, but I’ve been thinking about it all morning. We are witnessing, in real time, the destruction of America. Not only are they setting up the override of our judicial system, they are greenlighting corruption. If they don’t obey the laws and no one is going to enforce the laws unless it behooves them, there is no freedom and democracy. America is not going to hold. And I’d like to think there are principled people in positions of power, but at the end of the day, the vast majority of people will always act in their best interest when they’re scared. That includes individual citizens, politicians, judges, etc.
This reminds me so much of early March 2020, knowing that the world was about to change but watching everyone just go about their lives like nothing was coming down the tracks…
This reminds me so much of early March 2020, knowing that the world was about to change but watching everyone just go about their lives like nothing was coming down the tracks…
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“… Vance has previously hinted at his disregard for high court rulings, declaring in a 2021 podcast that Trump could respond to adverse decisions “like Andrew Jackson did and say, ‘The chief justice has made his ruling. Now let him enforce it.’”
Scholars say that commonly invoked line, attributed to Jackson of Chief Justice John Marshall after the 1832 Worcester v. Georgia ruling, is likely apocryphal.
“The quote is not really fitting here,” added University of Chicago law professor Alison LaCroix, who is also a legal historian. “There was no order issued to the President Jackson. It was issued to Georgia,” which had asserted authority over members of the Cherokee Nation living there. (The Supreme Court ruled that federal jurisdiction was exclusive, so Georgia lacked the authority to control the Cherokees. But Jackson, who had pressed for “Indian removal,” refused to enforce the order and instead sent troops to forcibly remove the Cherokees, in what became known as “The Trail of Tears.”)
… Meanwhile, Trump on Monday expanded on his criticisms of the judicial system, criticizing judges for wanting to “tell everybody how to run the country.”
“Judges should be ruling. They shouldn’t be dictating what you’re supposed to be doing,” Trump told radio host Mark Levin during an interview broadcast Monday night. …”
“… Vance has previously hinted at his disregard for high court rulings, declaring in a 2021 podcast that Trump could respond to adverse decisions “like Andrew Jackson did and say, ‘The chief justice has made his ruling. Now let him enforce it.’”
Scholars say that commonly invoked line, attributed to Jackson of Chief Justice John Marshall after the 1832 Worcester v. Georgia ruling, is likely apocryphal.
“The quote is not really fitting here,” added University of Chicago law professor Alison LaCroix, who is also a legal historian. “There was no order issued to the President Jackson. It was issued to Georgia,” which had asserted authority over members of the Cherokee Nation living there. (The Supreme Court ruled that federal jurisdiction was exclusive, so Georgia lacked the authority to control the Cherokees. But Jackson, who had pressed for “Indian removal,” refused to enforce the order and instead sent troops to forcibly remove the Cherokees, in what became known as “The Trail of Tears.”)
… Meanwhile, Trump on Monday expanded on his criticisms of the judicial system, criticizing judges for wanting to “tell everybody how to run the country.”
“Judges should be ruling. They shouldn’t be dictating what you’re supposed to be doing,” Trump told radio host Mark Levin during an interview broadcast Monday night. …”
SmilingJack
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So are we supposed to think that this lawless leadership will pay attention to the courts?
I'm guessing it's gonna happen in the streets eventually instead of the courts. We're getting the "let them eat cake" treatment now.
I'm guessing it's gonna happen in the streets eventually instead of the courts. We're getting the "let them eat cake" treatment now.
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oh what a path both parties have led us to.....congrats
rodoheel
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lol both parties? Can anyone point me to when the Biden admin defied court orders that struck down its policies?
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Rachel Maddow spent her show last night talking about the attack on the courts, and the autocratic breakthrough that is taking place. Autocratic breakthrough is the one way trip where those who have power eliminate the processes that can remove them from power, starting with the courts.
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ive sat out every election its called conviction. i understand completely the need for yall to not accept accountability and place blame elsewhere
you have no one to blame but yourself for allowing yourselves to be conditioned and controlled by two corrupt parties and a greedy society.
truth hurts
you have no one to blame but yourself for allowing yourselves to be conditioned and controlled by two corrupt parties and a greedy society.
truth hurts
ZenMode
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Not directed @nycfan - just thinking out loud....
Does Vance not have a point? Does a random federal judge have jurisdiction over the President?
"If a judge tried to tell a general how to conduct a military operation, that would be illegal. If a judge tried to command the attorney general in how to use her discretion as a prosecutor, that’s also illegal," Vance wrote on X, adding, "Judges aren’t allowed to control the executive’s legitimate power."