Trump / Musk (other than DOGE)

[ChileG]

"As someone that appears to understand the need for checks and balances, and accountability, you cant really be ok with him completely ignoring the guard rails in place to keep the US from becoming a dictatorship, correct?"

Correct that I'm not in favor of a dictator regardless on any party affiliation (fully support 2 term limit for potus) and believe very strongly in checks and balances including not eliminating the filibuster.

Okay, we are back on track. Let’s discuss this and the present administration.

 

[roostra]

Find a better place to send them, tell them there's no space here (NYC) and they will be transported to a better option.

My understanding is that it is ILLEGAL to do that.

8 U.S. Code § 1324 - Bringing in and harboring certain aliens

www.law.cornell.edu

 

[finesse]

That's not what he said. Context matters. He said "legitimate power"

And I'm pretty sure that it's the judicial system that determines what's legitimate.

 

[UNCatTech]

"As someone that appears to understand the need for checks and balances, and accountability, you cant really be ok with him completely ignoring the guard rails in place to keep the US from becoming a dictatorship, correct?"

Correct that I'm not in favor of a dictator regardless on any party affiliation (fully support 2 term limit for potus) and believe very strongly in checks and balances including not eliminating the filibuster.

Then I don't understand some of the support for actions where he is clearly overstepping the guidelines of the office?

 

[evrheel]

That's not what he said. Context matters. He said "legitimate power"

That may be, but you're arguing wording; not context

 

[Lando]

And I'm pretty sure that it's the judicial system that determines what's legitimate.

You aren’t supposed to actually think about it. Vance stating that the court me are fine so long as he agrees with them (as if he’d admit his administration’s actions are illegitimate) is functionally no different than saying courts shouldn’t exist.

 

[UNCatTech]

You are the very definition of woke. You are also the definition of people who were repudiated in the election. So hate away. You are now an afterthought and hopefully will be further neutered over the next 4 years. If I had just been relegated to the trash heap and deemed useless by a majority of voters I'd be angry too. You would be lucky not to shit your pants while holding a gun barney

So, are you against individual liberties? People being free to be who they are? (I'm not talking about pedophiles here)

How are we really a free country, if the liberties we have change based on the party that's in power? We are not truly free if we are making laws and policies that specifically limit medical freedom, freedom to love who one wants, freedom to be who we are and live our best lives.

Call me woke, I don't care. I am for individual freedoms. I'm for a real free country, where everything from the marriage pulpit to the bedroom are regulated.

 

[Bobfripp]

you really aren't good at this.

This is me after the the election





This is you after the election



This is me 3 weeks after the election



This is you 3 weeks after the election

This is you before the election ...


This is you after the election ...

 

[CFordUNC]

So, are you against individual liberties? People being free to be who they are? (I'm not talking about pedophiles here)

How are we really a free country, if the liberties we have change based on the party that's in power? We are not truly free if we are making laws and policies that specifically limit medical freedom, freedom to love who one wants, freedom to be who we are and live our best lives.

Call me woke, I don't care. I am for individual freedoms. I'm for a real free country, where everything from the marriage pulpit to the bedroom are regulated.

And that’s the difference between people like you, me, Lawtig, Chile, and several other folks in this community, and the poster to whom you are responding. We actually believe in and abide by our bedrock small government conservative principles of protection of individual liberty and personal freedom. We also believe that the executive is not a monarch, that the constitution is not situationally convenient, and that the judicial branch’s rulings are not to be followed or not followed based on our personal beliefs.

 

[Shenanigans]

That's not what he said. Context matters. He said "legitimate power"

Just say you love dictator trump. Since he is your alpha, are you also grotesque, obese and wearing a diaper right now?

 

[BillOfRights]

You are the very definition of woke.

Jesus Christ was woke.

 

[Shenanigans]

Jesus Christ was woke.

Maybe brown Jesus, but super white gun-loving Jesus hates gays and owns a pontoon boat, with a trump flag that says "No More Bullshit, make America great again like 1864"

 

[BluHevn]

Maybe if they don't abide by the court there needs to be a coup.

 

[Geisterfahrer]

"As someone that appears to understand the need for checks and balances, and accountability, you cant really be ok with him completely ignoring the guard rails in place to keep the US from becoming a dictatorship, correct?"

Correct that I'm not in favor of a dictator regardless on any party affiliation (fully support 2 term limit for potus) and believe very strongly in checks and balances including not eliminating the filibuster.

In your mind, how does the filibuster embody checks and balances.

 

[Geisterfahrer]

That's not what he said. Context matters. He said "legitimate power"

Who is the ultimate arbiter of what constitutes legitimate executive power?

 

[4thgenheel]

Maybe if they don't abide by the court there needs to be a coup.

 

[finesse]

Maybe if they don't abide by the court there needs to be a coup.

Seems like, in that case, it would be a countercoup.

 

[nycfan]

So, are you against individual liberties? People being free to be who they are? (I'm not talking about pedophiles here)

How are we really a free country, if the liberties we have change based on the party that's in power? We are not truly free if we are making laws and policies that specifically limit medical freedom, freedom to love who one wants, freedom to be who we are and live our best lives.

Call me woke, I don't care. I am for individual freedoms. I'm for a real free country, where everything from the marriage pulpit to the bedroom are regulated.

Folks, can we move these debates to another thread and leave this one to its originally intended topic?

 

[evrheel]

Speaking of cutting waste, trump just signed an order withdrawing from WHO.

Terrible decision made because Trump has to blame someone for his previous failures
There are those who work to fix the problem and then there are those who just want to affix the blame

And oh yeah

The World Health Organization (WHO) is guided by values that include integrity, professionalism, and respect for diversity.

These values are based on the principles of human rights, equity, and universality

 

[superrific]

I don't know.....the border towns, that are actually flooded by migrants and have been for decades, figure it out and I suspect they aren't using a lot hotels because the towns often aren't the type that would have lots of hotels in the first place.

Hmm. Can you think of a difference between rural Texas and New York City? Anything that might make it harder for one of them to find space than the other?