Trump / Musk (other than DOGE)

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ZenMode said:
I have managed employees and currently have a managerial job, though not managing employees.

In your zeal to try to make a point, you missed that facts that literally no part of any discussion, I've been involved in, has mentioned managers... until now.
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I'm not making a point either way. I'm just saying that managers often do nothing but manage employees. There aren't "accomplishments" there, and there aren't necessary five bullet points either. There's nothing wrong with being a manager or not a manager. I've been a manager but I'm not very good at it. I just think your claims that "if you can't list five bullet points about what you do, then there's a problem" betray a lot of assumptions on your part
 
So when people discuss gender reassignment surgery, hormone therapy, or artificial genitalia, you call that a "sex chat"?
 
ZenMode said:
I didn't say I supported or didn't support. I just said it will be determined by the courts.
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Whose decisions Trump will promptly ignore.

“John Marshall [or insert your favorite judge] has made his decision, now let him enforce it”. - POTUS Andrew Jackson (one of Trump's favorites)
 
superrific said:
I'm not making a point either way. I'm just saying that managers often do nothing but manage employees. There aren't "accomplishments" there, and there aren't necessary five bullet points either. There's nothing wrong with being a manager or not a manager. I've been a manager but I'm not very good at it. I just think your claims that "if you can't list five bullet points about what you do, then there's a problem" betray a lot of assumptions on your part
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You were trying to make a point. Your unnecessary, but not uncommon, comment about me made that clear.

Either way, every position, including manager, has it's official responsibilities to list that are not likely to be exciting or impressive. They're just your job.
 


Not sure if he is just re-branding the EB-5 program that already basically sells green cards or just devising a pay is $5 million and you’re in scheme, regardless of investments in the USA or job creation (which EB-5 requires) otherwise.
 
ZenMode said:
Why is it "obviously" a lie or mischaracterized?
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1. When Trump claims something, that thing is vastly more likely to be false than true.
2. That seems to be true of Musk as well, and his whole administration. Nothing but liars up and down.
3. The whole premise is nonsensical.
4. The concept of DEI is again being misused and stretched beyond limit. Even if that discussion was occurring, it would not involve any sort of DEI rubric. So at a bare minimum, that connection is fabricated. Since that's fabricated, there's absolutely no reason to believe any of the other parts of the report.
 
nycfan said:


Not sure if he is just re-branding the EB-5 program that already basically sells green cards or just devising a pay is $5 million and you’re in scheme, regardless of investments in the USA or job creation (which EB-5 requires) otherwise.
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Nobody with $5M to pay for such a thing would rely on a program that has no congressional authorization.

But I said the same thing about Apple and Google's continued hosting of Tik Tok. Still, this is one step further.
 
superrific said:
1. When Trump claims something, that thing is vastly more likely to be false than true.
2. That seems to be true of Musk as well, and his whole administration. Nothing but liars up and down.
3. The whole premise is nonsensical.
4. The concept of DEI is again being misused and stretched beyond limit. Even if that discussion was occurring, it would not involve any sort of DEI rubric. So at a bare minimum, that connection is fabricated. Since that's fabricated, there's absolutely no reason to believe any of the other parts of the report.
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1. Trump didn't claim it:
christopherrufo.com

The NSA’s Secret Sex Chats

Intelligence officials maintained a chatroom to discuss polyamory and transgender surgeries, internal documents reveal.
christopherrufo.com christopherrufo.com

2. Musk didn't claim it.
3. Opinion noted.
4. I don't think it was under an official rubric of federal DEI. That isn't what's claimed. It's saying that the authors tried to disguise it as DEI discussions.

Do you agree, if true, those discussions have no place in an NSA internal messaging tool?
 
Probably not, but context matters. If it was related to sources or cases, then almost certainly, yes. If purely chatter ,no. Then case by case.
 
ZenMode said:
I'm just saying that, on its face, I see no issue with someone being asked to detail what they do as part of their daily/weekly activities.
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No one is saying federal employees shouldn't be subjected to performance reviews, you dolt.

What every rational person is criticizing is every manor in which this task is being administered.

  • Asking for only 5 bullet points from the previous week as the basis for a career-defining performance review -- dumb
  • Giving employees 48 hours notice -- dumb
  • Circumventing department heads with both the announcement and input into any subsequent evaluations -- dumb
  • Elon Musk of all people leading the effort -- dumb
  • Near total lack of transparency on how the information will be used -- dumb
  • Threats of being fired -- dumb
  • Mention of some kind of untested, unproven AI system to determine if jobs are necessary -- dumb
  • Complete chaos from the administration on whether people needed to reply or not...Trump himself said replying to the email was "somewhat voluntary but its also if you don't answer i guess you get fired" -- dumb
I could go on. Once again we have the bootlickers trying to sane wash the insane. Ridiculous but expected.
 
ZenMode said:
1. Trump didn't claim it:
christopherrufo.com

The NSA’s Secret Sex Chats

Intelligence officials maintained a chatroom to discuss polyamory and transgender surgeries, internal documents reveal.
christopherrufo.com christopherrufo.com

2. Musk didn't claim it.
3. Opinion noted.
4. I don't think it was under an official rubric of federal DEI. That isn't what's claimed. It's saying that the authors tried to disguise it as DEI discussions.

Do you agree, if true, those discussions have no place in an NSA internal messaging tool?
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1. OK, fine. Rufo is as big a liar. And how the fuck would Rufo know? Oh, he got chat logs from NSA. That's reliable. I had thought that the information purportedly came from DOGE.
2. Right, it wasn't under the rubric of DEI. Nobody would try to disguise it as such. It would like trying to infiltrate a gathering of Wall St analysts in a clown costume.
3. How the fuck would I know whether those discussion have no place in an NSA messaging tool? I've never used that tool. I've never been in the NSA. I've never been transgender. I don't know what those discussions were actually about. How the fuck am I supposed to answer the question? And why the fuck would I want to? Again, there is no law of nature requiring anyone to form opinions about things they know nothing about.

For instance: are there hetero people engaging in the same sort of talk? Is this a support group, like many other support groups that exist on the chat servers? Is it drawing on member knowledge for the purpose of profiling or going undercover? If there's an intercept about people talking about being trans, it would probably be helpful to know if that's how trans people really talk or think, or whether it is some sort of private code.

Did someone ask the trans person, "were you gay before the transition?" and the person replies. Whose fault is that? Are we going to come down on people for talking about their own experiences? That would surely be selective.

Generally speaking, I don't care if trans people are talking about their life experiences with other people voluntarily. If they were interjecting this sort of talk into what are otherwise purely business conversations, it might be a problem. But if someone asks a trans person, "what is sex like after reassignment surgery?" why can't the trans person answer? I mean, I'd be curious to know that, just for understanding the world.
 
ZenMode said:
You were trying to make a point. Your unnecessary, but not uncommon, comment about me made that clear.

Either way, every position, including manager, has it's official responsibilities to list that are not likely to be exciting or impressive. They're just your job.
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And, again, 5 bullet points will provide absolutely no information about the job or how well the person is functioning in their position. You know this but you either simply like the shit show or you support this wasteful stupid exercise in futility. Which is it?
 
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