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If you can't describe the work you do, in 5 bullets, after two months of work, that would seem to be a problem. Nevermind, that few are literally in their first 2 months of work.
Are you saying it’s a problem if you can’t describe the work you’ve done within the past week in 5 bullet points, or that it’s a problem if you can’t describe the work you’ve done over the course of two months? (Never mind that the email asked for “accomplishments” within a week, whatever that means.)

I might spend an entire week working on an appellate brief. It can be very time consuming. I don’t know how I’d break that down into multiple bullet points. Sometimes I might be in trial for an entire week, where all I do is focus on that trial. I guess I could break that down in bullet points like: (1) I cross examined witness A; (2) I cross examined witness B; (3) I objected to the admission of evidence and presented an argument against its admissibility; (4) I cross examined witness C, etc.

Then you have people whose jobs require them to do the same thing over and over again. And their jobs are important because they serve as one the crucial pieces to making the whole thing run smoothly and efficiently. But when you do the same thing over and over again, how do you break it down into five separate bullet points? At my office, we have a receptionist. She answers the phone and either transfers calls or takes messages, and she greets people who come into our office and contacts the person they are coming to see. Other than making a list of the calls she takes and people she greets, I’m not exactly sure how she would break down the bullet points. But her job is integral to the efficiency of our office.
 

Federal technology staffers resign rather than help Musk and DOGE​



"More than 20 civil service employees resigned Tuesday from billionaire Trump adviser Elon Musk’s Department of Government Efficiency, saying they were refusing to use their technical expertise to “dismantle critical public services.”

We swore to serve the American people and uphold our oath to the Constitution across presidential administrations,” the 21 staffers wrote in a joint resignation letter, a copy of which was obtained by The Associated Press. “However, it has become clear that we can no longer honor those commitments.

The employees also warned that many of those enlisted by Musk to help him slash the size of the federal government under President Donald Trump’s administration were political ideologues who did not have the necessary skills or experience for the task ahead of them.

The mass resignation of engineers, data scientists and product managers is a temporary setback for Musk and the Republican president’s tech-driven purge of the federal workforce. It comes amid a flurry of court challenges that have sought to stall, stop or unwind their efforts to fire or coerce thousands of government workers out of jobs. ...

...“Anyone who thinks protests, lawsuits, and lawfare will deter President Trump must have been sleeping under a rock for the past several years,” Leavitt said. “President Trump will not be deterred from delivering on the promises he made to make our federal government more efficient and more accountable to the hardworking American taxpayers.”

The staffers who resigned worked for what was once known as the United States Digital Service, an office established during President Barack Obama’s administration after the botched rollout of Healthcare.gov, the web portal that millions of Americans use to sign up for insurance plans through the Democrat’s signature health care law.

All had previously held senior roles at such tech companies as Google and Amazon and wrote in their resignation letter that they joined the government out of a sense of duty to public service.

...According to the staffers, people wearing White House visitors’ badges, some of whom would not give their names, grilled the nonpartisan employees about their qualifications and politics. Some made statements that indicated they had a limited technical understanding. Many were young and seemed guided by ideology and fandom of Musk — not improving government technology.

Several of these interviewers refused to identify themselves, asked questions about political loyalty, attempted to pit colleagues against each other, and demonstrated limited technical ability,” the staffers wrote in their letter. “This process created significant security risks.”

...Earlier this month, about 40 staffers in the office were laid off. The firings dealt a devastating blow to the government’s ability to administer and safeguard its own technological footprint, they wrote.

These highly skilled civil servants were working to modernize Social Security, veterans’ services, tax filing, health care, disaster relief, student aid, and other critical services,” the resignation letter states. “Their removal endangers millions of Americans who rely on these services every day. The sudden loss of their technology expertise makes critical systems and American’s data less safe.

Those who remained, about 65 staffers, were integrated into DOGE’s government-slashing effort. About a third of them quit Tuesday.

We will not use our skills as technologists to compromise core government systems, jeopardize Americans’ sensitive data, or dismantle critical public services,” they wrote. “We will not lend our expertise to carry out or legitimize DOGE’s actions. ..."
I understand why these 21 senior staffers resigned.

Musk, the techbroligarchs, Vought, the Freedom Caucus, etc. probably sees their resignations as a plus.
 
Are you saying it’s a problem if you can’t describe the work you’ve done within the past week in 5 bullet points, or that it’s a problem if you can’t describe the work you’ve done over the course of two months? (Never mind that the email asked for “accomplishments” within a week, whatever that means.)

I might spend an entire week working on an appellate brief. It can be very time consuming. I don’t know how I’d break that down into multiple bullet points. Sometimes I might be in trial for an entire week, where all I do is focus on that trial. I guess I could break that down in bullet points like: (1) I cross examined witness A; (2) I cross examined witness B; (3) I objected to the admission of evidence and presented an argument against its admissibility; (4) I cross examined witness C, etc.

Then you have people whose jobs require them to do the same thing over and over again. And their jobs are important because they serve as one the crucial pieces to making the whole thing run smoothly and efficiently. But when you do the same thing over and over again, how do you break it down into five separate bullet points? At my office, we have a receptionist. She answers the phone and either transfers calls or takes messages, and she greets people who come into our office and contacts the person they are coming to see. Other than making a list of the calls she takes and people she greets, I’m not exactly sure how she would break down the bullet points. But her job is integral to the efficiency of our office.
"I might spend an entire week working on an appellate brief. It can be very time consuming. I don’t know how I’d break that down into multiple bullet points. Sometimes I might be in trial for an entire week, where all I do is focus on that trial. I guess I could break that down in bullet points like: (1) I cross examined witness A; (2) I cross examined witness B; (3) I objected to the admission of evidence and presented an argument against its admissibility; (4) I cross examined witness C, etc."

There you go. Four of the five bullets are done just that fast.
 
That does seem to be the end goal. Just gut the government like Elon did to Twitter and force the few remaining employees to work like dogs trying to do the work that originally was done by three or four times as many people. And it won't work, because the federal government isn't like Twitter (or any corporation, really), but they seem hellbent on trying.
The chaos is intentional.
 
"I might spend an entire week working on an appellate brief. It can be very time consuming. I don’t know how I’d break that down into multiple bullet points. Sometimes I might be in trial for an entire week, where all I do is focus on that trial. I guess I could break that down in bullet points like: (1) I cross examined witness A; (2) I cross examined witness B; (3) I objected to the admission of evidence and presented an argument against its admissibility; (4) I cross examined witness C, etc."

There you go. Four of the five bullets are done just that fast.
Explain five ways you bring value to this board. Failure to do so will result in you getting banned.

What's that you say? I'm not your boss? I'm also the guy who's going to determine whether or not it's a thing of value? I could choose to ban you even though you do as I say? I'm just friends with Rock and shouldn't have this kind of authority?

Sounds like a shitty system.
 
If you can't describe the work you do, in 5 bullets, after two months of work, that would seem to be a problem. Nevermind, that few are literally in their first 2 months of work.
I get the Tangle email now and it happened to be on this very subject today. I can't link an email, so I am going to copy and paste what I thought was a very good response:



"Most days, I can see the merit in arguments from across the political spectrum. After all, the issues we cover are usually divisive and rife with nuance, historical debate, and ideological differences. But every once in a while, I’m left surprised by how silly our politics are — like when an idea as unhelpful and counterproductive as this email becomes at all controversial.

Let me start here: No self-respecting person would take an email (preceded by an explicit threat of losing their job) demanding they list five things they did in the last week as a fair way to be treated. Every single person reading this would be somewhere between annoyed and enraged — and rightfully so. Imagine your reaction to getting this on a Saturday night, with a 48-hour deadline to answer, and at the behest of a person you’d never met, don’t work for, and who was gleefully mocking you on social media while issuing it.

Of course, nothing illustrates the self-defeating and inefficient nature of this directive more than Trump’s own agency heads instructing their employees to ignore the email. Kash Patel, the newly appointed head of the FBI, told employees not to respond to it, saying “The FBI, through the Office of the Director, is in charge of all of our review processes, and will conduct reviews in accordance with FBI procedures.”

Which, you know… obviously.

It should not be surprising that agency heads are drawing a line with Musk here. Employee evaluations and firing decisions should not be made by a group of government neophytes (DOGE) scouring two to three million emails then using artificial intelligence to try to understand an agency they’ve never stepped foot inside.

Musk’s supporters responded to the indignation from employees by saying that this happens in the private industry, and government workers should get fired if they can’t play ball. This, too, is preposterous. I’ve never heard of a boss (aside from Musk) giving all their employees a shot clock to detail five things they’d done in the last week (regardless of whether they are on assignment or leave) under threat of termination. At minimum they would torch their reputation in whatever industry they worked in, and at worst be staring down a lawsuit and the end of their own career.

More personally, I’m the founder and CEO of a media business — I would never treat my employees like this, because on top of being an inefficient waste of their time, it’s also incredibly disrespectful and cruel. It would make me a crappy boss, make Tangle a crappy organization to work for, and our product would suffer for it."
 
Explain five ways you bring value to this board. Failure to do so will result in you getting banned.

What's that you say? I'm not your boss? I'm also the guy who's going to determine whether or not it's a thing of value? I could choose to ban you even though you do as I say? I'm just friends with Rock and shouldn't have this kind of authority?

Sounds like a shitty system.
Rock, as the person in charge, could give you precisely the authority you just described, could he not?
 
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"Some pundits on the left have tried to attack Musk by valorizing federal workers, like Just Security’s Nicholas Bednar (under “What the left is saying”), who argued, “Five bullet points describing one work week—a week that included a federal holiday—cannot capture the importance of the work performed by most federal employees.” This is an unnecessary claim, and probably untrue of many federal employees. The point isn’t that most federal workers’ jobs are so important and complex they can’t summarize their week in five bullet points — the point is that it’s ridiculous to demand millions of people to respond to a faceless email account to keep their jobs, while the person behind the plan bangs on across social media about what horrible, lazy, inefficient people they are.

Interestingly, liberals and anti-Trumpers aren’t the only ones making these arguments now; some conservatives have started standing up for the federal workforce. Chuck Ross, a pro-Trump columnist and writer, made the same points I did about how no self-respecting person would respond to this request. Conservative pundit Rick Moran argued “neither Musk nor Trump has the authority to request such a list or make continued employment in the federal government contingent on replying.” And David Marcus, one of the most reliably pro-Trump voices at Fox News, wrote that federal workers aren’t “billionaires or grifters,” adding that “the federal government’s problem is not allegedly lazy, middle class government employees, it’s corrupt wealthy politicians and their donors.”

Now those are some good arguments.

Musk, naturally, has begun to change his explanation for this exercise. It’s no longer about only keeping the most important employees or figuring out what federal employees are actually up to, but now purportedly a plot to discover federal workers who don’t exist. “Non-existent people or the identities of dead people are being used to collect paychecks,” Musk posted. “In other words, there is outright fraud.”

Even if this underlying premise were true, why send an email to two million people to figure it out? I presume there are much better, more efficient ways to figure out which federal employees are dead and still getting paid or, alternatively, entirely made up people. More importantly, I don’t think the premise is true. Some examples exist of the government wasting millions of dollars on “ghost” employees — like police and military in Afghanistan — but we already have oversight to catch that sort of thing. I suspect Musk’s assertion will go the same way as the claim that “billions of dollars” are being sent to 150-year-old people on Social Security, which Trump’s own Social Security Administrator recently clarified was wrong (though Trump continues to repeat it).

All of this leaves me dumbfounded. Musk is not an idiot. He’s not incompetent. Anyone pretending so is deluding themselves. So what’s he up to? My best guess is he is trying to force more people out — or look for an excuse for mass layoffs — since fewer employees took the “fork in the road” buyout offer than he apparently expected. As I said last week, Musk stands to benefit personally in a dozen different ways from a beleaguered, downsized federal workforce, which has always been what DOGE is really about.

He is too competent to truly believe he’s making the government more efficient right now. The Wall Street Journal officially estimated that DOGE will save the government roughly $2.6 billion over the next year; what are the odds that after all the future settlements, the rehiring of workers, the increased cost of hiring workers who feel these jobs are not secure and the eight months of severance we’re paying to 75,000 people who took the buyout offer, that this all ends up costing us money?

I honestly don’t know how long all of this will go on. Republicans in Congress are privately starting to worry, and who can blame them? ABC estimates these layoffs are impacting some 200,000 people. I suspect that means tens of millions of Americans now know someone who has lost their job due to these cuts. Some of them will have their lives ruined — they’ll lose homes, or get divorced, or have to scramble to find health insurance for their sick spouse. I know of one woman who was five months pregnant, working in the National Parks, and had to leave her temporary housing (provided by her job) to go apartment hunting — now unemployed in a rural area with limited opportunities and sparse housing. She was fired without cause or explanation as part of the DOGE cuts.

People are going to be pissed. Social media is replete with Trump voters asking why they or their family members lost their jobs. And those people are going to start demanding more responsibility from Congress. Eventually, Republicans and Democrats will have to do their jobs and control how these agencies are being run, how this money is being spent, and who gets to keep their jobs."
 
And 21 DOGE folks just quit because it's corrupt AF

Using fucking AI to determine if people lose their jobs or not? Yeah somehow I dont think that would be supported by most Americans
 
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