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I just swiped through hours of posts.

Y’all are engaging with ZenMode AGAIN AND AGAIN.

Why?

He’s trolling you.

You’re not informing or educating him. You’re not informing or educating people similar to him.

What you’re doing is giving him a woodie.

He’s hooked you.

Please stop responding to him. He’ll go away and come back under another name - remember, he was someone else on ZZLP. Why is he using a different username on this site?

Why?

He’s trolling you.

Why are you responding or engaging? Why?

Why?
 
superrific said:
I'm not giving the employees the benefit of the doubt. I'm just unwilling to castigate them without knowing more. And you just don't seem to be able to recognize that. Maybe it's not a case of you being silly about something; it's a personality difference, like Myers Briggs.

In court, sometimes a judge will instruct a witness that "yes, no, and I don't know" are all acceptable answers. That is to say, human logic is three valued, and you just see it as two-valued. So you interpret anything that is not critical of something as being in favor of it, which is why you characterized me as giving anyone the benefit of the doubt.

And this is what happens: you have a need to assign a judgment to whatever you read. You read this claim that employees are doing something, and you have to see it as bad or good. You don't really know anything about it, but bad seems more intuitive an option for you so you go with that. Then, when someone disagrees with you that it's bad, you automatically assume they think it's good. And that's just not how most people work, in my view. Hence the instructions in court: most people accept "I don't know" as a valid answer and indeed often the right answer.

I dismissed the story because of a long, deep experience with right-wing agitators lying and/or badly exaggerating about these topics. It's not instinct; it's definitely learned. It comes from watching falsehood and falsehood emanate from the right-wing culture warriors, for decades. It's all lies, all the time. They have earned that lack of trust a hundred times over.

By contrast, I instinctively took the position "I don't know" instead of judging the employees about whom I knew nothing.
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Super,

You’re definitely a smart, educated person with tremendous recall/memory and writing ability (as friends who went to law school said, “I started learning to write in law school”).

I can’t recall exactly what you wrote…….it was something along the lines of you feel compelled to correct mistakes, factual errors, etc.

Don’t hold me to the exact words or phrases.

You need to STOP engaging with the ZenModes.

You are not going to “educate” them or most others reading a response to a ZenMode.

You give them hard-ons for thread-after-thread-after-thread.
 


Trump signs executive action targeting law firm representing former special counsel Jack Smith​

The law firm says it's representing Smith in his personal capacity.

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Trump signs executive action targeting law firm representing former special counsel Jack Smith

The memo strips Jack Smith's attorney of his security clearance as well as any other attorneys at the firm who assisted Smith while he was investigating Trump.
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“President Donald Trump signed an executive action Tuesday targeting a prominent law firm that represents former special counsel Jack Smith. The memo strips Smith's attorney of his security clearance as well as any other attorneys at the firm who assisted Smith while he was investigating Trump.

Covington and Burling LLP said it is representing Smith in a personal capacity, and a person familiar with the matter said there is no evidence the law firm played any part in Smith's criminal investigations of Trump.

The memo Trump signed Tuesday -- a major escalation in Trump’s targeting of those he believes to be his political enemies -- also directs the Office of Management and Budget to review any government contracts held by the law firm. …”
 
nycfan said:


Trump signs executive action targeting law firm representing former special counsel Jack Smith​

The law firm says it's representing Smith in his personal capacity.

abcnews.go.com

Trump signs executive action targeting law firm representing former special counsel Jack Smith

The memo strips Jack Smith's attorney of his security clearance as well as any other attorneys at the firm who assisted Smith while he was investigating Trump.
abcnews.go.com abcnews.go.com

“President Donald Trump signed an executive action Tuesday targeting a prominent law firm that represents former special counsel Jack Smith. The memo strips Smith's attorney of his security clearance as well as any other attorneys at the firm who assisted Smith while he was investigating Trump.

Covington and Burling LLP said it is representing Smith in a personal capacity, and a person familiar with the matter said there is no evidence the law firm played any part in Smith's criminal investigations of Trump.

The memo Trump signed Tuesday -- a major escalation in Trump’s targeting of those he believes to be his political enemies -- also directs the Office of Management and Budget to review any government contracts held by the law firm. …”
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"One law firm that provided pro-bono legal services to the special counsel's office under Jack Smith's leadership was Covington and Burling," White House Staff Secretary Will Scharf said about the memo as Trump moved to sign it during a ceremony on Tuesday. "As a result of those actions, we're now going to be suspending and putting under review the security clearances for the attorneys and employees at that firm who worked with Jack Smith's team. And we're going to continue holding the people who were responsible for the weaponization of government, who supported it, accountable for what they did."

Trump asked Scharf about the plans to do this to other law firms and Scharf said that the administration was looking at a range of options to take against other law firms. Trump tossed the pen to an attendee and joked "Why don't you give it to Jack Smith?" and called him a “deranged” individual.

A reporter asked Trump whether the action to strip the attorneys' security clearances amounted to political targeting, but Trump cut the reporter off and said that he was the target.

"I've been targeted for four years longer than that. So, you don't tell me about targeting?" Trump said. "I was the target of corrupt politicians for four years, and then four years after that. So don't talk to me about targeting." …”
 
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