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Calheel said:
I’d turn that down if I were Elise. Power position in the House is more powerful and prestigious than UN ambassador.
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Yes, but being in the House is utterly miserable. Especially since Elise has to wear an identity that she might very well loathe. UN ambassador gets her out of the spotlight and lets her drop the MAGA stylings periodically.
 
superrific said:
Yes, but being in the House is utterly miserable. Especially since Elise has to wear an identity that she might very well loathe. UN ambassador gets her out of the spotlight and lets her drop the MAGA stylings periodically.
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She didn't have to wear an identity. She chose to. No one makes that choice if they don't love power. I suppose she could be having regrets, but I highly, highly doubt it.
 
TBH, I'm not laughing because we may be on the verge of unraveling the rules-based order that has served the United States pretty well since the end of WWII.

It does seem that Putin is making sort of a public spectacle about who may or may not hold the cards in future negotiations with the Trump Administration, but let's face it, Putin is a dick who is feeling empowered to do whatever he wants, but at some point he needs the Ukraine conflict to at least pause for a while. So I wouldn't be surprised to see him turn around and embrace some peace plan and give lavish credit to Trump for whatever that is, both to curry favor with Trump and to set him up for blame for whatever happens down the road. Putin has his own agenda and I think Americans would be best served to assume it is always intended to be negative for us, not cheer him on if he scores a few points here or there versus our political opponents.
 
Calheel said:
She didn't have to wear an identity. She chose to. No one makes that choice if they don't love power. I suppose she could be having regrets, but I highly, highly doubt it.
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Absolutely. I'm just saying that maybe she wants a break from it.

Another consideration is that the Pubs are almost certainly going to lose the House in 2026, unless Trump pulls off some sort of miracle economic plan or they stop elections. I don't know if Elise is in any danger, but if you have a chance to be in the cabinet for four years or a narrow majority for two and a minority for two more, it's not clear to me which is superior.

And finally, MAGA mask or not, the GOP house is a miserable place to be. They can't even elect a speaker. They basically all hate each other.
 
superrific said:
Absolutely. I'm just saying that maybe she wants a break from it.

Another consideration is that the Pubs are almost certainly going to lose the House in 2026, unless Trump pulls off some sort of miracle economic plan or they stop elections. I don't know if Elise is in any danger, but if you have a chance to be in the cabinet for four years or a narrow majority for two and a minority for two more, it's not clear to me which is superior.

And finally, MAGA mask or not, the GOP house is a miserable place to be. They can't even elect a speaker. They basically all hate each other.
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Is UN Ambassador a cabinet position? I thought it was part of State. Even if it is cabinet level, it is not as though there are regular cabinet meetings at the white house, other than to genuflect to Dear Leader.
 
superrific said:
Absolutely. I'm just saying that maybe she wants a break from it.

Another consideration is that the Pubs are almost certainly going to lose the House in 2026, unless Trump pulls off some sort of miracle economic plan or they stop elections. I don't know if Elise is in any danger, but if you have a chance to be in the cabinet for four years or a narrow majority for two and a minority for two more, it's not clear to me which is superior.

And finally, MAGA mask or not, the GOP house is a miserable place to be. They can't even elect a speaker. They basically all hate each other.
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I think even with a slimmer majority, they may be less miserable for a while because the trouble-makers are MAGA absolutists who will all fall in line behind Trump, which makes the Speaker’s job a lot easier.

The cracks will eventually show, because they always do in politics, but Mike Johnson will get a honeymoon coattail ride from Trump’s governing honeymoon, I think.
 
nycfan said:
TBH, I'm not laughing because we may be on the verge of unraveling the rules-based order that has served the United States pretty well since the end of WWII.

It does seem that Putin is making sort of a public spectacle about who may or may not hold the cards in future negotiations with the Trump Administration, but let's face it, Putin is a dick who is feeling empowered to do whatever he wants, but at some point he needs the Ukraine conflict to at least pause for a while. So I wouldn't be surprised to see him turn around and embrace some peace plan and give lavish credit to Trump for whatever that is, both to curry favor with Trump and to set him up for blame for whatever happens down the road. Putin has his own agenda and I think Americans would be best served to assume it is always intended to be negative for us, not cheer him on if he scores a few points here or there versus our political opponents.
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Russia is going to roll over Ukraine now. He doesn't need a peace plan. He will be able to take basically what he wants.

The Ukrainians' morale is exceedingly low. They are having manpower shortages. Now that US assistance is gone, will NATO actually take up the slack? I doubt it. NATO does not want to give Trump any excuse at all for pulling out. The Europeans want to keep NATO hobbling along until Trump is gone.

It would not surprise me if Putin attacks Poland or maybe a Baltic state just to give Trump the opportunity to pull out of NATO. And the West knows that, which is why I expect them not to force a confrontation in Ukraine. Appeasement is a shitty plan in the long-term but it might be the best plan to tide them over until 2028.
 
nycfan said:
“… In an interview with CBS' "60 Minutes" that aired in October, Homan was asked whether there was a way to carry out mass deportations without separating families.

"Of course there is. Families can be deported together," he responded.

Homan is a visiting fellow at the Heritage Foundation, a conservative group. He was a contributor to Project 2025’s Mandate for Leadership book. …”

www.nbcnews.com

Trump announces Tom Homan as incoming border czar

Homan touts hard-line immigration views and has previously vowed to “run the biggest deportation force this country has ever seen.”
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So he intends to deport citizens as well
 
Calheel said:
Ain’t no mathematical way you could deport 300k on Jan 20, Jan 21 or any other day. It is not physically possible.
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They don't care, they're going to try to do it anyway. And there's nothing to stop them. If blue state governors try to use the National Guard to stop them, Trump can always federalize the guard and take control away from the governors. Despite all the denials from Trump supporters that "it won't get that bad", this is going to get bad, really fast.
 
nycfan said:
I think even with a slimmer majority, they may be less miserable for a while because the trouble-makers are MAGA absolutists who will all fall in line behind Trump, which makes the Speaker’s job a lot easier.

The cracks will eventually show, because they always do in politics, but Mike Johnson will get a honeymoon coattail ride from Trump’s governing honeymoon, I think.
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You might be right, but the cracks will begin when Trump's governing agenda runs us into a ditch. The Trump will be telling his loyalists it's someone else's fault, and meanwhile there will be members retiring left and right rather than get shellacked, and they will blame the Speaker because that's what they do. I wouldn't want to be a part of that.

Of course, I wouldn't want to be a part of the House period, so my views are not the best proxies for Stefanik.
 
Mulberry Heel said:
They don't care, they're going to try to do it anyway. And there's nothing to stop them. If blue state governors try to use the National Guard to stop them, Trump can always federalize the guard and take control away from the governors. Despite all the denials from Trump supporters that "it won't get that bad", this is going to get bad, really fast.
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I literally got a text from my mom, who claims that she didn't vote for Trump but I'm not sure, saying:

"Maybe almost losing his life when the bullet whizzed past his ear has changed him." That was sent to me on Wednesday, November 6, 2024.

It is going to get very bad. People have no idea. So many folks in complete denial.
 
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