Trump / Musk (other than DOGE)

[MOUNTAINH33L]

Elon thinks he has so much money he is invincible. His demise will be hilarious and glorious.

 

[Kingpin]

I don't know about that. Even Trump made comments a few weeks back that there may be exceptions for radicals and crazies.

I suspect that a few of those guys will go down like the pizza guy or worse and it will hurt Trump.

Didn’t the pizza guy get shot and killed by police a few weeks ago?

 

[dukeman92]

Is it over yet?

 

[WaynetheDrain]

Lmao just more stupidity from both sides

Shut the fuck up.

 

[rodoheel]

It doesn’t say that they tend to favor institutions in the abstract. It says they tend to favor institutions and practices that enhance social order and historical continuity.

Social order is simply referring to a society that is undergirded by organizing social structures and institutions. These don’t have to be the institutions that have been core to the American liberal project since the New Deal. Conservatives have long derided even these meager programs.

Appeals to these types of institutions and constitutions are more inherent to liberalism rather than conservatism. The big issues with these terms in American political life is that there are a ton of “conservatives” who are liberals by any normal political definition. One thing the Trump era has brought us is a realigning of American political terms along these more traditional lines: socialists/social democrats, liberals, and conservatives.

The institutions and social structures that MAGA relies on are at a much more base level than constitutions and the liberal norms. The nuclear family, patriarchy, traditional religion, etc. Conservatism has been steeped in these principles since its inception.

Think about it this way: Edmund Burke surely thought he was favoring institutions and practices that enhanced social order and historical continuity when he opposed the French Revolution.

There are some that think conservatism started with Buckley, but I think that’s hogwash honestly.

I think you can pretty clearly trace western political conservatism back as far as, at least, the French Revolution and those who wanted to maintain (and later, return to) the Ancien Regime or, at least, some form of absolute monarchy. But I also think that Buckley could be credited with the creation of a peculiar strain of "modern American conservatism" (or perhaps you could say "liberal conservatism" or "constitutional conservatism" to your point) that still preached the value of traditional institutions but did so in the context of the liberal political framework of the constitution. In other words, he essentially cast the Constitution (which was certainly not a conservative document at the time of its drafting) as the framework for the protection of classic conservative values.

 

[superrific]

And I am not buying the Autism angle. While people with Autism often have trouble reading others, their faces don't lie because it is all subconscious.

I'm not buying the autism bullshit either, but autistic people don't always use the same facial expressions as other people. Making them hard to read.

But that's not at all what is going on here.

 

[gtyellowjacket]

Didn’t the pizza guy get shot and killed by police a few weeks ago?

Yep. I'm thinking anyone that went nuts on a cop might make some other poor decisions after release that may lead to a similar scenario or worse.

 

[StrangePackage]

 

[StrangePackage]

Trump's mass deportation plan could drain more than $20 billion a year from Social Security​

Trump's mass deportation plan could drain more than $20 billion a year from Social Security

President Donald Trump's mass deportation plans could have a significant economic side effect: draining Social Security funding.

www.businessinsider.com

To MAGA that's a feature, not a bug.

 

[WaynetheDrain]

To MAGA that's a feature, not a bug.

Two birds, one stone.

 

[ChapelHillSooner]

It doesn’t say that they tend to favor institutions in the abstract. It says they tend to favor institutions and practices that enhance social order and historical continuity.

That is fair and I admit I misread that passage I quoted.

 

[Wheels81]

As a Virginian, I have to say that it’s really disappointing to see Mark Warner’s vote in favor.

 

[Calheel]

Executive order abuse has gotten totally out of control. Obama did it too much but the practice that is in place now is totally insane. Trump just signing things into effect is insanity.

The Emancipation Proclamation was probably the biggest executive overreach in US history, but we are pretty OK with it now.

 

[lawtig02]

The Emancipation Proclamation was probably the biggest executive overreach in US history, but we are pretty OK with it now.

That fits nicely in the broad category of war powers/state of emergency executive overreach, which I agree is necessary, but rife for abuse. One of the reasons all the emergencies Trump declared yesterday concern me.

 

[ChileG]

Trump's mass deportation plan could drain more than $20 billion a year from Social Security​

Trump's mass deportation plan could drain more than $20 billion a year from Social Security

President Donald Trump's mass deportation plans could have a significant economic side effect: draining Social Security funding.

www.businessinsider.com

That’s not good. I think Trump was hoping to raid SS so he and his uber-rich buddies could get another tax break. Now where will he get those funds from? I suppose we will just add it to the deficit.

 

[Icky Mettle]

Executive order abuse has gotten totally out of control. Obama did it too much but the practice that is in place now is totally insane. Trump just signing things into effect is insanity.

Obama signed the fewest executive orders per days in office compared to any president who came after Grover Cleveland, who left office in 1897.

 

[hedge]

There are some that think conservatism started with Buckley, but I think that’s hogwash honestly.

“I am obliged to confess I should sooner live in a society governed by the first two thousand names in the Boston telephone directory than in a society governed by the two thousand faculty members of Harvard University.”
— William F. Buckley, National Review Mission Statement, November 19, 1955

“A conservative is someone who stands athwart history, yelling Stop, at a time when no one is inclined to do so, or to have much patience with those who so urge it.”
― William F. Buckley

 

[Callatoroy]

What is your definition? Same question for lawtig.

Are you trying to facilitate some type of debate as to whether the republican party or democratic party more closely represents political conservatism? not sure what the goal is? Who represents the parties? ZZL posters?

 

[farce©]

I am missing the joke(??)

Not to dismiss the tasteless attempt at humor, but I believe OGtruthurts was responding to callatoroy’s comment “Then you don't know what the definition of political conservative is.” which Kingpin had quoted in the previous post.

 

[lawtig02]

“I am obliged to confess I should sooner live in a society governed by the first two thousand names in the Boston telephone directory than in a society governed by the two thousand faculty members of Harvard University.”
— William F. Buckley, National Review Mission Statement, November 19, 1955

“A conservative is someone who stands athwart history, yelling Stop, at a time when no one is inclined to do so, or to have much patience with those who so urge it.”
― William F. Buckley

Those are interesting quotes, since I have thought many, many times that I would gladly vote for a random person drawn from the 315 million Americans to be our president over Donald Trump.