Trump / Musk (other than DOGE)

[nycfan]

Really? How far are you going to take this? Can I hope that Putin has an untimely demise? Is it OK to root for KJU to have a heart attack?

Whether or not someone assassinates Elon is completely beyond my control. I'm not even advocating it.

Reality check: law exists to make violence unnecessary and punishable. People who try to put themselves above the law and operate with impunity are themselves responsible for whatever harm comes their way. They will have defeated the thing that protects them. Heck, in many countries, that coup attempt would have been addressed with summary execution.

The back and forth is set forth below. When you say you are "hoping for Luigi" how are you not advocating something like Luigi did, which was murder a guy in cold blood? Or were you thinking about Super Mario Bros.?

You then go on to argue above that "People who try to put themselves above the law and operate with impunity are themselves responsible for whatever harm comes their way" which indicates that you in fact meant you hope for a similar attack on Musk. I'm not stretching anything you said and politely requesting avoiding the step from discussing the ways in which putting oneself above the law can lead to a violent response to the one where you "hope" or otherwise encourage an assassination.

--- prior back and forth below ---

My hope is that he and trump will have a fall out sooner than later and he will be one of the first to leave (like the last term when trump's inner circle was dropping like flies).

YOUR RESPONSE: I'm hoping for Luigi.

 

[superrific]

The back and forth is set forth below. When you say you are "hoping for Luigi" how are you not advocating something like Luigi did, which was murder a guy in cold blood? Or were you thinking about Super Mario Bros.?

You then go on to argue above that "People who try to put themselves above the law and operate with impunity are themselves responsible for whatever harm comes their way" which indicates that you in fact meant you hope for a similar attack on Musk. I'm not stretching anything you said and politely requesting avoiding the step from discussing the ways in which putting oneself above the law can lead to a violent response to the one where you "hope" or otherwise encourage an assassination.

--- prior back and forth below ---


YOUR RESPONSE: I'm hoping for Luigi.

Hoping is not advocating. I am hoping someone kills Elon Musk. Just like I hope that someone kills Putin.

Your position is really strange given that our country was born from violence. Our constitution was borne from rebellions and riots. Throughout all of human history, the riot, the popular uprising -- those have been the main forms of resistance against oppression. That's just a fact.

Gil Scott Heron once talked about his realization that Nat Turner was one of the good guys. Is that also verboten? I mean, have you listened to any of his poems? There's a LOT of violence in there, and a lot of ideation to boot. He's considered a major voice of twentieth century social protest and political art.

NWA talked about smoking pork. I guess we can't talk about NWA either, then.

You are trying to draw a line that does not exist, that does not make sense, and is historically blind. I am almost always good natured toward moderator requests, but I'm not going to kow-tow to this administration. Fascists want you to say things like you did. I won't partake.

 

[superrific]

Imagine if Thomas "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants" Jefferson posted here. nycfan would short-circuit.

 

[gtyellowjacket]

Now you’re just antagonizing.

Honestly think it might be a little more than that based on his posts from the last couple of months. Things appear to be spiraling. If someone said this stuff on 4chan about Biden or Harris or Trump, I'm guessing the secret service would be visiting.

 

[sringwal]

 

[superrific]

Now you’re just antagonizing.

How am I wrong? It' s not just Jefferson. "Ideating homicide" by nycfan's definition is an integral part of our intellectual tradition and heritage. It is almost impossible to talk about political theory without confronting the subject. What about Malcolm X? Eugene Debs?

One of the most important influences on the Founding Fathers was John Locke. Locke's philosophy is steeped in a tradition of discussing violence. Locke's philosophy, after all, was a direct response to Thomas, "life is short, brutish and nasty" Hobbes. And Locke's solution, and the solution of the Framers, and the solution of the county through its entire history, has been the rule of law. The possibility of the rule of law is the answer to Hobbes.

To say that eliminating the rule of law risks taking us back to Hobbes cannot possibly be a bad thing to say. And since the oligarchs seem to think they are all-powerful and cannot be stopped as they eviscerate the rule of law, then what else am I supposed to hope? Musk is a uniquely dangerous person. He will cause lots of deaths if unchecked. He will kill a lot of people.

More importantly, ELON MUSK is out there calling for homicide. He is actively ideating homicide. If he were to die, many lives will be saved.

 

[superrific]

Honestly think it might be a little more than that based on his posts from the last couple of months. Things appear to be spiraling. If someone said this stuff on 4chan about Biden or Harris or Trump, I'm guessing the secret service would be visiting.

There is nothing at all illegal about saying "I hope for Luigi." That is protected expression and you're an idiot who knows nothing about the law.

I mean, half the country was ***openly celebrating*** Luigi, even though he had no actual justification for what he did.

 

[Zoo_View]

My hope is that he and trump will have a fall out sooner than later and he will be one of the first to leave (like the last term when trump's inner circle was dropping like flies).

Whether or not Trump and Musk have a falling apart and Musk leaves; or, Trump and/or Musk die, are incapacitated, or voluntarily leave the public arena, the Heritage Foundation shock troops will still implement Project 2025.

 

[gtyellowjacket]

Your read and response on near everything is through the lens of gaining attention for yourself and antagonizing, so you can imply my sentiment towards your disingenuousness, irrespective of whether we agree or disagree on any respective topic. That is, fuck you for leveraging my post to take a potshot, Good German.

Well I don't feel that way. I'm just concerned for him. I hope I'm wrong and if I'm not wrong, I hope he gets the help he needs.

And more than anything, I hope him wishing that someone is killed doesn't lead to him making it happen. I know that's almost certainly hysterical, but I'm sure that wishing and hoping led to making for every assassin.

 

[lawtig02]

I'll happily accept the egg on my face if I'm wrong, but I'll be shocked if the Canadian tariffs aren't canceled by no later than 4:00pm ET.

No idea about China, but those are of only marginal importance anyway. I'm not at all convinced Chinese tariffs are actually collected.

 

[Zoo_View]

I have to report anti-American sentiment is starting to really get heated here. I will be hesitant to mention to anyone who doesn't know already that I am one.

How’s your Canadian accent? Better yet, Maritime accent?

 

[heelinhell]

Politics

Trump tariffs on Mexico to be paused one month, Sheinbaum says, as she announces troop border deployment​

Mexico agrees to sending troops to the border which happened previously during the Biden administration without threats of tariffs and Trump agrees to stop gun smuggling from the U.S. into Mexico...

great use of leverage Donald !

'Ooof!' Trump mocked for falling for 'trick' in Mexico tariff deal

President Donald Trump temporarily backed down on his tariff threats against Mexico after reaching an agreement with his counterpart Claudia Sheinbaum Pardo — which prompted a range of reactions.The two nations' presidents each announced an agreement on sending Mexican forces to the border to...

www.rawstory.com

Mexican president reveals U.S. concession Trump failed to mention as tariffs paused

Mexican President Claudia Sheinbaum Pardo issued a "read-out" of her call with U.S. President Donald Trump on Monday — but her list of what the two leaders agreed to is different from his in one major respect: guns. Washington Post staff writer Meryl Kornfield pointed out on X that in...

www.rawstory.com

 

[nycfan]

First they dismissed the head of the Consumer Financial Protection Board (which I posted in the general firings thread as a start), but close on the heels of that news comes this:

Bessent Takes Helm of Consumer Finance Watchdog, Orders Halt to Work​

CFPB is told to cease efforts on enforcement actions, active litigation​

GIFT LINK --> https://www.wsj.com/politics/policy...d?st=dQ4bno&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink

"Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent is ordering a freeze to work at the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, after being named its acting director by President Trump.

In an internal email Monday, Bessent’s office directed CFPB staff to cease much of the bureau’s work, including on enforcement actions and decisions about active litigation. The email also directs staff to suspend the effective dates for rules that had been completed, but aren’t yet in effect.

Bessent’s appointment is the beginning of what is expected to be a rollback of many of the agency’s actions under the Biden administration, which included rules capping overdraft fees and banning the use of medical debt by credit-reporting companies.

Biden appointee Rohit Chopra was ousted on Friday, and Trump has yet to name a candidate to lead the CFPB on a permanent basis. It remains unclear what approach the administration will take to the agency during Trump’s second term as president.

Republicans have long wanted to rein in or even eliminate the agency. ..."

 

[nycfan]

"... The CFPB, created under a Wall Street legislative overhaul after the 2007-08 financial crisis, has the authority to regulate financial products such as mortgages and credit cards. Under Chopra, the bureau took an expansive view of the products it could regulate, sparking legal challenges by industry groups to some of its proposed rules."

 

[nycfan]

WTF? Hoping for Luigi is not ideation.

But anyway, exactly how far does this policy go? Is it a problem to note that authoritarianism is almost always defeated with some level of violence? TIs it wrong to note how Mussolini ended? It is a fact that the Iraqis killed not just Saddam but his sons. The Bolsheviks and the Jacobins killed the whole royal family. Is it wrong to point that out?

How about you start a new thread to argue this rather than derail this one.

 

[WaynetheDrain]

Mexico agrees to sending troops to the border which happened previously during the Biden administration without threats of tariffs and Trump agrees to stop gun smuggling from the U.S. into Mexico...

great use of leverage Donald !

'Ooof!' Trump mocked for falling for 'trick' in Mexico tariff deal

President Donald Trump temporarily backed down on his tariff threats against Mexico after reaching an agreement with his counterpart Claudia Sheinbaum Pardo — which prompted a range of reactions.The two nations' presidents each announced an agreement on sending Mexican forces to the border to...

www.rawstory.com

Mexican president reveals U.S. concession Trump failed to mention as tariffs paused

Mexican President Claudia Sheinbaum Pardo issued a "read-out" of her call with U.S. President Donald Trump on Monday — but her list of what the two leaders agreed to is different from his in one major respect: guns. Washington Post staff writer Meryl Kornfield pointed out on X that in...

www.rawstory.com

Lol @ Trump.

The great negotiator, my ass.

 

[nycfan]

 

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[nycfan]

https://www.npr.org/2025/02/01/nx-s1-5254186/cfpb-consumer-financial-protection-cfpb-trump-chopra

“… Chopra was tapped by former President Joe Biden to lead the bureau in 2021. The position has a five-year term, but the Supreme Court ruled in 2020 that the president can fire the director at will.

In a resignation letter posted on X, Chopra said watchdog agencies such as the CFPB work to enforce laws to "check the enormous influence that powerful firms have over our daily lives."

… "The incoming Administration has a unique and important opportunity to institute meaningful reforms to the CFPB, in both the immediate and long-term, that can help transform the agency into the credible and durable regulator Americans deserve," the Consumer Bankers Association wrote in a white paper in January.

The association called for some immediate changes, including rescinding CFPB's rules on overdrafts and credit card late fees.

… At a hearing of the Senate Banking Committee in December, ranking member Tim Scott, R-S.C., called for Chopra to resign on Trump's first day in office and expressed disgust that the CFPB had continued to issue rules and reports in the waning weeks of the Biden administration. …”