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Inspectors General Sue Trump Administration After Being Fired by President​

Lawsuit claims president failed to notify Congress or provide reasons for termination​



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Eight inspectors general fired by President Trump in late January filed a lawsuit against the administration Wednesday alleging their termination violated the law, adding to dozens of other legal challenges facing the president at the start of his new term.

About 17 inspectors general were fired last month in a Friday night purge by the White House, which didn’t publicly announce the moves or provide an explanation as to why the officials lost their jobs. The firings led to concerns from both Democrats and some Republicans that the administration might have violated federal rules that require advance notice to Congress before such firings.

… IGs from the Departments of Agriculture, Defense, Education, Labor and State as well as Veterans Affairs, Health and Human Services and the Small Business Administration are plaintiffs in the lawsuit. Defendants include Trump and the heads of agencies where the plaintiffs worked.

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IGs are tasked with scrutinizing the actions of federal agencies to make sure they comply with laws and don’t misuse authority or taxpayer money. They have investigative powers and can respond to congressional requests for internal probes.

Trump has targeted other federal watchdogs and law-enforcement officials in recent weeks. On Monday, the Office of Government Ethics said Trump had removed its director, David Huitema, who had been confirmed by the Senate in November for a five-year term. Trump’s Justice Department has fired lawyers who worked on special counsel Jack Smith’s two prosecutions of the president.

Trump has accused IGs of being against his agenda and insufficient in their loyalties—even when he had appointed them. In April 2020, he fired intelligence community IG Michael Atkinson—his own appointee—after he had informed Congress about a whistleblower complaint concerning a phone call Trump had with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky. The call was the basis of Trump’s first impeachment. …”
 
Callatoroy said:
I will admit it takes some big balls and a "fuck any appearance of hypocrisy" to start this thread and post all the faux anger / indignation that is sure to come given how joe weaponized the justice dept and his pardon power. I thought you guys had accepted you lost the moral high ground here but hell no. You just ran up the back side of the hill and now pretend you never tumbled down the front Can't hide all the shit stains on your clothes though as they tell the truth.

At least I know my buddies lawtig and WM won't be offering much in this thread because I remember their previous condemnations of joe's use of pardons. My prediction is either this will be a really short thread as people care about not being hypocrites, or It will be a very large thread because the left doesn't give two shits about hypocrisy because its ingrained in their DNA.
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I also had a separate thread on Biden’s pardons at the end of his term if you want to bump it back to the top.

Trump has started his term with pardons in a very unusual way that seems to also bear discussion.
 
roostra said:
So, to be clear, your argument is Biden did it so it is perfectly fine that Trump is doing it?

Perhaps you could address the merits of these pardons.
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Actually its the opposite of my argument. Biden's use was terrible and enabled trump's abuse. So far, trump's use is as bad and likely to get worse. My comments, knowing the characters on this board, were to preemptively call out the hypocrisy that was sure to follow.
 
nycfan said:
I also had a separate thread on Biden’s pardons at the end of his term if you want to bump it back to the top.

Trump has started his term with pardons in a very unusual way that seems to also bear discussion.
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No need. I made my point (at least from my pov). Pardons are a dark stain on biden and trump comes along and says hold my beer. Just disgusting all the way around. I'm normally a traditionalist and not in favor of changing much in the way of our g'ment as in ending the filibuster, etc. But after joe and donald I would like to see pardon reform because neither could be entrusted with the privilege.
 
Up until the time that the FBI directorship was announced, I agreed. However, when a man with no scruples and an announced vendetta against Hunter Biden was put in charge, all political punctiliousness went out the window. As events have proven, that is more than justified by the arrogance and disregard to custom, decorum and rule of law shown by this administration.

Not exactly what I wanted from a president but with the current atmosphere, it's what I'd have done as a father.
 


But

Trump’s Resignation Program for Federal Workers Can Proceed, Judge Rules​

The decision was a win for the Trump administration, which has been stymied by a series of other court rulings in recent days. The judge said the plaintiffs lacked standing.

www.nytimes.com

Trump’s Resignation Program for Federal Workers Can Proceed, Judge Rules

The decision was a win for the Trump administration, which has been stymied by a series of other court rulings in recent days. The judge said the plaintiffs lacked standing.
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A federal judge said Wednesday that the Trump administration’s deferred resignation program for federal workers could proceed, allowing the White House to move forward with a key part of its plan to reduce the federal work force by encouraging mass buyouts.

Judge George A. O’Toole Jr., a U.S. District Court judge in the District of Massachusetts, did not weigh in on the program’s legality. He instead stated in his five-page ruling that the incentive plan, known as “Fork in the Road,” did not directly impact the plaintiffs of the lawsuit, which included a number of unions representing federal workers, and so the plaintiffs did not have standing to challenge it.

“The unions do not have the required direct stake in the Fork directive,” Judge O’Toole wrote, adding that they were “challenging a policy that affects others, specifically executive branch employees.”

“This is not sufficient” for standing, he wrote.

The unions challenging the plan had sought a temporary restraining order to block the plan from going forward. In his ruling, Judge O’Toole added that precedent from previous cases showed that the court did not have subject matter jurisdiction to consider the unions’ claims. …”
 
superrific said:
I agree, but you're underselling the APA. It's not a "frequently used tool." It literally structures our executive agencies. Every time an agency does anything, the APA is implicated and until now, the agencies at least followed the procedures the APA lays out.

The Comstock Act is an obscure law. The APA is the backbone of our government. There's a reason why law schools have whole courses devoted to studying it, and those are lecture classes, often for 2Ls.
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I know these journos are taking their jobs seriously and trying their best, but articles like this seriously make me question the education that journalism majors receive.

This is usually most evident to me when they start getting into history. I imagine anyone who has a modicum of expertise in a field has the same experience reading articles like this. Not sure what the solution is.
 
nycfan said:
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I can’t imagine that that would be very successful. Trump could fire every DOGE employee at the drop of a hat.

DOGE couldn’t resist because Musk has no political power outside of his connection with Trump. Trump could turn 90% of MAGA on Musk with a few words.

Musk may think he is operating a coup but he doesn’t have the real power he thinks he has.

if that is his intention it would be a long term project. Trump isn’t keeping Musk around for the long term.

I really think Musk will be Rohm’d, especially after X said to Trump that he isn’t the president and needs to go.
 
Callatoroy said:
Actually its the opposite of my argument. Biden's use was terrible and enabled trump's abuse. So far, trump's use is as bad and likely to get worse. My comments, knowing the characters on this board, were to preemptively call out the hypocrisy that was sure to follow.
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It was hard to tell because there wasn't actually any condemnation of Trump's pardons in your previous post, just calling other folks out for being hypocrites.

It is clearer in this one that you do acknowledge that Trump's pardons are problematic.



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roostra said:
It was hard to tell because there wasn't actually any condemnation of Trump's pardons in your previous post, just calling other folks out for being hypocrites.

It is clearer in this one that you do acknowledge that Trump's pardons are problematic.



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I had previously stated several times I disagreed with his blanket pardons and for where I think he will abuse the power in the future.
 
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