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No, there's not. You're confusing a market-clearing wage -- i.e. an equilibrium wage determined by supply and demand -- with a legislated minimum. They aren't the same thing or remotely comparable. States do have minimum wage laws that exceed the federal minimum in many cases; about that you are correct. But this "minimum" wage is nonsense.
market-clearing wage is, as I referenced, functionally a minimum wage. Not literally a minimum wage, but functionally a minimum wage.

If you live in a small, rural town in Iowa and your only doctor is retiring, there is a minimum amount you're going to have to pay to hire a new one. It's not a legally established minimum wage, but there is still a minimum amount/wage you will have to offer and it will be more than the legal minimum wage.
 
Actually its the opposite of my argument. Biden's use was terrible and enabled trump's abuse. So far, trump's use is as bad and likely to get worse. My comments, knowing the characters on this board, were to preemptively call out the hypocrisy that was sure to follow.
Please explain how Biden's use of pardons enabled Trump in pardoning:

Joe Arpaio
Rod Blagojevich
Steve Bannon
Paul Manafort
Charles Kushner
Roger Stone
Dinesh D'Souza
Michael Flynn
Bernie Kerik.

I look forward to hearing what will surely be a cogent explanation blaming Biden for these.
 
At the time he took over France, it was almost impossible not to improve it.
That’s true. But he did try to make the country’s government and institutions function better. And he succeeded somewhat in that area. However, he more than made up for it with his empire ambitions that brought war to almost all of Europe.
 
“… Speaking to reporters at his Mar-a-Lago residence, Trump was asked by BBC News what his message was to Ukrainians who might feel betrayed.

"I hear that they're upset about not having a seat, well, they've had a seat for three years and a long time before that. This could have been settled very easily," he said.

"You should have never started it. You could have made a deal," he later added.

"I could have made a deal for Ukraine," he said.

"That would have given them almost all of the land, everything, almost all of the land - and no people would have killed, and no city would have been demolished."

After the meeting in Riyadh, Trump said he was "much more confident".

"They were very good," he said. "Russia wants to do something. They want to stop the savage barbarianism."

"I think I have the power to end this war," he added.

[a lot of “I” in those thoughts]

“…
Meanwhile, the reaction in Moscow to the change in direction of U.S. foreign policy has been more upbeat.

The U.S. president is "the first, and so far, apparently, the only Western leader who has publicly and loudly said that one of the root causes of the Ukrainian situation was the brazen path of the previous administration to draw Ukraine into NATO," Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said in a speech to Russian lawmakers Wednesday. "No Western leader has ever said this,”

“This is already a signal that he understands our position," Lavrov added in a speech that covered the broader second Trump administration rather than the president's specific remarks Tuesday. ..”



Maria still believed the 4% approval BS.
 

Trump administration expected to issue public health order to restrict immigration at US-Mexico border​


"The Trump administration is expected to issue a public health order as soon as this week labeling migrants at the US southern border as risks for spreading diseases, marking an escalation in the president’s effort to severely restrict immigration, according to three sources familiar with the discussions.

The public health order, which hasn’t yet been finalized, is a call back to one put in place in 2020 during Donald Trump’s first administration based on the coronavirus pandemic. That order sealed off the border to asylum seekers, drawing fierce criticism from immigrant advocates, and fueled repeat crossings that prompted pushback from some Homeland Security officials.

Discussions for the new order have referenced measles and tuberculosis, according to multiple sources. It would be the latest in a string of moves to toughen the administration’s posture on the US-Mexico border even as crossings continue to plummet. ..."
 
market-clearing wage is, as I referenced, functionally a minimum wage. Not literally a minimum wage, but functionally a minimum wage.

If you live in a small, rural town in Iowa and your only doctor is retiring, there is a minimum amount you're going to have to pay to hire a new one. It's not a legally established minimum wage, but there is still a minimum amount/wage you will have to offer and it will be more than the legal minimum wage.
It's not functionally a minimum wage either. First, that concept makes no sense. The minimum wage is a type of law to boost wages in the event that the market clearing wage is too low. In other words, the mimimum wage is a check on the market. It's a negation of the market-clearing wage when the market produces unacceptable outcomes. So how can the market clearing wage be "functionally" its own negation?

Look, I don't know what point you are trying to make here. Maybe you have a good point in there, but you're expressing it terribly. Why don't you try again, and ditch the whole "functional minimum wage" stuff? Try a different approach.
 
I actually think this misunderstands the direction in which "Christian nationalists" want to take us. Just like with everything else in the culture wars, they care about Christianity having cultural supremacy far more than any sort of religious mandate. They don't want to, and I don't think they will seek to, establish any sort of mandatory tithing or religious institutions. They don't want to make churches themselves more powerful, or force people back into pews, they just want to chill minority religions and get back to a place where most or all key government officials are culturally Christian and the government recognizes and enforces the cultural primacy of Christianity.
Not sure there’s anything about this that isn’t completely anti-American and theocratic, “religious mandate” or no. Dude is an utter fascist creep.
 
"The Trump administration is expected to issue a public health order as soon as this week labeling migrants at the US southern border as risks for spreading diseases,

Shit, RFK ,jr. is doing that and he got a Cabinet position.
 
HIV and cancer have higher than 4% approval ratings. Seriously.

The idea of a 4% approval rating is again comically stupid.
 
Napoleon did institute a lot of improvements in France that are still in use today. However, from his earliest conquests in Italy to the Battle of Waterloo he constantly attacked his neighbors to gain territory for France and to increase his stature in Europe. After his return from Elba the other powers in Europe realized there could be no peace until he was gone. He had lost support from his allies among the German States and other parts of Europe. At one point his armies were fighting from Madrid to Moscow. After his defeat at Waterloo at the hands of an international coalition he was sent to St. Helena in the middle of the Atlantic. While a coalition arose to rid Europe of Napoleon, I don’t see such a coalition coming together to stop Trump. There will be no Wellington to stop Trump. Our best hope is that he meets his end soon.
Trump dying might have helped 3 years ago. It won't help anything now. Vance and others in the Trump admin are just as committed to destroying the government and abandoning our allies as Trump is.
 
Trump dying might have helped 3 years ago. It won't help anything now. Vance and others in the Trump admin are just as committed to destroying the government and abandoning our allies as Trump is.
Correct.

If Trump dies before he leaves office, Musk/Thiel/Techbroligarchs still hold sway.

Russell Vought and the Heritage Foundation will still implement Project 2025.

J.D. Vance is likely an even more malleable, easily manipulated tool than Trump.
 
Disagree. Vance is far, far smarter than don, just isn’t a quarter as effective as a demagogue. However, he has the ability to execute plans, and while he’s a blatant opportunist, he also is more skillful at knitting together insidious alliances with competent bad actors.
J.D. Vance became exactly what Peter Thiel wanted him to be.

J.D. Vance didn’t orchestrate J.D. Vance’s elevation to the VP nomination.
 
It's not functionally a minimum wage either. First, that concept makes no sense. The minimum wage is a type of law to boost wages in the event that the market clearing wage is too low. In other words, the mimimum wage is a check on the market. It's a negation of the market-clearing wage when the market produces unacceptable outcomes. So how can the market clearing wage be "functionally" its own negation?

Look, I don't know what point you are trying to make here. Maybe you have a good point in there, but you're expressing it terribly. Why don't you try again, and ditch the whole "functional minimum wage" stuff? Try a different approach.

'Why don't you try again, and ditch the whole "functional minimum wage" stuff? Try a different approach."

Pass. This started as a simple question to cford and has morphed into something that is not worth continuing.
 
I know the Thiel history. I think they’ll lose their grips on Vance, should he become president.

Eventually, the techtheocrats will come into direct conflict with the christonationalists, and I suspect Vance will side with the millions of evangelicals, over tech utopia. Vance may eventually get pushed out by a more charismatic figurehead, but who is that? Right now, the comically on the nose Bond villains are ascendant, but eventually, they’ll have to reckon with the true believer religious nuts.
If Vance succumbs to the ChristoNationalists rather than the Techbroligarchy, that helps make my point about Vance. He’s completely malleable and easily manipulated. He has no core beliefs.
 
Can they hold this together without a face guy? Vance doesn't seem like he could be that guy.
This is what I think. I feel that after Trump is gone they won’t be able to hold together. People will be coming out of the woodwork claiming to be his heir and they are the trumpiest politician there is. There has already been plenty of fighting among the factions in MAGA and the GOP. With him gone, there will be no one to coalesce around.
 
You paying attention, John Roberts and Amy Coney Barrett? Where do you think he got the idea that he was a king?

If you let him have impoundment authority, you'll make it so.

And if we have to overthrow a king, you can expect heads to roll, literally. Kings don't get deposed and live, and neither do their enablers. Or their families.
 
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