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wmheel1287 said:
I would think...but maybe I'm insane...that i would weigh out the overall value of the employees versus the obviously inappropriate use of work assets. There are tools to discipline poor work behavior that fall short of termination. However, I generally think of people as having flaws that lead them to make mistakes when they might otherwise be beneficial to the organization.

What I'm not into is the overall performance art on display here. If you honestly believe that the only inappropriate chats to be found on that same server have to do with trans folks, then I don't know what to tell ya.

Also, trusting Tulsi Gabbard might be even more short sighted than trusting Elon Musk.
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This is all assuming that the reports are true. I posted the chat screenshots to give some legitimacy to the claims, not because they are unusually explicit. I posted more details from the original article below.

What is the overall value of employees who are so unintelligent that they would think it acceptable to use a tool dedicated to intelligence related to national security for personal chat of any kind? I have occasional personal chats on MS Teams, but they're one-on-one, not on a general, public board.

Second, what is the overall value of employees who are so unaware that they not only waste an intelligence community board for personal chat, but explicit personal chat (some detail below).

Are these really the quality of people, and level of decision making ability, we want working in national security?

One popular chat topic was male-to-female transgender surgery, which involves surgically removing the penis and turning it into an artificial vagina. “[M]ine is everything,” said one male who claimed to have had gender reconstruction surgery. “’ve found that i like being penetrated (never liked it before GRS), but all the rest is just as important as well.” Another intelligence official boasted that genital surgery allowed him “to wear leggings or bikinis without having to wear a gaff under it.”

These employees discussed hair removal, estrogen injections, and the experience of sexual pleasure post-castration. “[G]etting my butthole zapped by a laser was . . . shocking,” said one transgender-identifying intel employee who spent thousands on hair removal. “Look, I just enjoy helping other people experience boobs,” said another about estrogen treatments. “[O]ne of the weirdest things that gives me euphoria is when i pee, i don’t have to push anything down to make sure it aims right,” a Defense Intelligence Agency employee added.
 
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nycfan said:
The GOP needed (and got) this guy’s vote to get their budget plan through its first procedural hurdle last night.
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Not cool Trump lawyers.

Kind of surprised that the US attorney handles DC crimes. DC has their own police force and other services. I would have thought the prosecutors office would fall under local control as well.
 


“… According to the Department of Government Efficiency dashboard, 28 VA contracts have been cancelled with claimed savings of $81 million. DOGE also says the awarded contract values total $148.6 million.

That gap is explained by the fact that many of the contracts have been underway for some time. VA has already paid for some of the products and services performed under the contract.

…Of the 28 cancelled contracts, 20 were held by service-disabled/veteran-owned small businesses. One was held by a veteran-owned small business.

The value of the 21 contracts held by veteran-owned businesses totals $121.4 million in awarded value. From those cancelled contracts, DOGE claims that will result in savings of $72.6 million.

VA is required by the 2006 Veterans Benefits, Health Care, and Information Technology Act to use veteran-owned small business, both service-disabled and otherwise, when at least two veteran-owned companies can provide the services being procured. …”

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Because disabled vets get preferential treatment for VA contracts, they bear the brunt of the cuts. I doubt DOGE looked deeper than let’s cut stuff! Just because disabled vets fulfill the contracts doesn’t mean the contracts shouldn’t be cut — but in an organized process, there might be some actual cost-benefit analysis deeper than top line numbers.
 
CFordUNC said:
Best to just not respond to him. He’s playing a tired, worn out, recycled, pathetic bit that nobody finds clever and adds less value than even the dumbest would-be troll. Best to just let him talk to himself. I think at this point most of us just pity him and hope that he finds the psychiatric help he most likely needs.
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I've got the time to waste. Besides, I'm talking at him and not to him. I have no use for blatherskites.
 
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“… According to the Department of Government Efficiency dashboard, 28 VA contracts have been cancelled with claimed savings of $81 million. DOGE also says the awarded contract values total $148.6 million.

That gap is explained by the fact that many of the contracts have been underway for some time. VA has already paid for some of the products and services performed under the contract.

…Of the 28 cancelled contracts, 20 were held by service-disabled/veteran-owned small businesses. One was held by a veteran-owned small business.

The value of the 21 contracts held by veteran-owned businesses totals $121.4 million in awarded value. From those cancelled contracts, DOGE claims that will result in savings of $72.6 million.

VA is required by the 2006 Veterans Benefits, Health Care, and Information Technology Act to use veteran-owned small business, both service-disabled and otherwise, when at least two veteran-owned companies can provide the services being procured. …”

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Because disabled vets get preferential treatment for VA contracts, they bear the brunt of the cuts. I doubt DOGE looked deeper than let’s cut stuff! Just because disabled vets fulfill the contracts doesn’t mean the contracts shouldn’t be cut — but in an organized process, there might be some actual cost-benefit analysis deeper than top line numbers.
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“… Deltek data indicates VA awarded $9.7 billion in contract obligations to service-disabled, veteran-owned businesses in federal fiscal year 2024, which equates to 14.3% of VA's $67.6 billion in total contract spend.

… Of the $81.1 million in savings claimed by DOGE, cuts to veteran-owned small businesses accounted for 89.2% of the claimed savings.

In looking at the total contract value, the cancellations of contracts held by the veteran-owned small businesses represented 81.7% of the $148.6 million in claimed cuts.

Five of the contracts are held by large businesses. One large business holds two of those contracts. The total awarded value is $19 million and DOGE expects savings of $606,000.

One nonprofit company and one woman-owned small business also saw their contracts cancelled.

In his X posting, Collins said that millions of dollars of contracts have been spent on consultants who are developing PowerPoint and taking meeting minutes.

“Folks, if you don’t know how to run PowerPoint slides learn. It’s a tutorial on your computer,” Collins said on his video.

But after looking at the DOGE database and its connection into the Federal Procurement Data System, it is hard to discern if any of the so-far cancelled contracts are for PowerPoint and notetaking. …”
 
uncmba said:
So ethnically cleanse an area inhabited by these folks for thousands of years, build huge skyscrapers with tens of thousands of western tourists, and expect no terrorist attacks?
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They'll be so grateful to Trump that they will say that he's the greatest leader ever. Probably have tears in their eyes when they tell him.
 
HesNaughtHere said:
Shout-out to any potential Dem voters that sat out (or voted for Trump) over Biden/Harris's handling of the Gaza situation.

Brilliant strategy
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I will preface this to say that I, and nearly all the pro-Palestine people that I know, ended up voting for Harris. We all knew that Trump would be worse (even though the Dems were not great either).

However, blaming other pro-Palestinian voters for Trump winning is just a way to find someone to blame other than the dems themselves. Even if they all voted Harris, it might have won Michigan for her, but it would not have been enough to flip the election. There were much bigger issues that caused that.
 
gtyellowjacket said:
Trump is trolling. Possibly hoping to distract from the tax cuts for rich people going through Congress. And its going to work.
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Sure he may be trolling and he sure looooves the attention, but it's just SO incomprehensible that this man is president. And that millions of people voted for him and love him, and what that says about us as a society. Republicans used to run on values, but really it turns out that MAGA values are to be the most selfish, greedy humans possible. (Unless you're in their in-group, in which case they might be kind on an as-needed basis.) Pitiful.
 
tallheel95 said:
Sure he may be trolling and he sure looooves the attention, but it's just SO incomprehensible that this man is president. And that millions of people voted for him and love him, and what that says about us as a society. Republicans used to run on values, but really it turns out that MAGA values are to be the most selfish, greedy humans possible. (Unless you're in their in-group, in which case they might be kind on an as-needed basis.) Pitiful.
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Its astounding, but I doubt it happens. No country is going to take those Palestinians, and the Europeans will make Israel and us miserable to stop it or slow it long enough for Trump to be gone.

Trump's first term, he sent Kushner to negotiate a deal between the Israelis and Palestinians that didn't include the Palestinians and was thus completely tilted towards the Israelis. Much gnashing of teeth but in the end, nothing happened.
 
finesse said:
blatherskites
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TIL this word. Today forward, I will use this word.
tallheel95 said:
Sure he may be trolling
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Yes, absolutely. Also, I’ve said this time and again, don isn’t particularly clever. He’s floods the zone, self promotes, and he has zero conscience so he understands how to identify a mark. Those are his superpowers. What comes out of his “mouth” is genuine insight into his worldview and aims, bc he has relatively no inner executive.

If don can make a version of this grotesque video come to light, he’ll absolutely do it, it just depends on what it costs him elsewhere. Whether it’s imperializing Gaza, Greenland, or parts of Canada (seems truly absurd) don’s psychology fixates on tangibles, and relatively nothing is more tangible than land and structures. See his obsession with Mt. Rushmore.

Don is a rapidly deteriorating old narcissistic sociopath, with what to his name, other than a social movement based on bigotry and political “principles” as firm as boiled noodles? He sees imperialism as a legacy project.
 
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So they're firing people for talking about being trans at work? Because I read that exchange and that's the entirety of the discussion - was GRS worth it, would it be easier to obtain under Tricare (their US Government provided healthcare), how it impacted their quality of life and dysphoria, etc.

In 2014 I suffered a pretty catastrophic sports injury and needed surgery. Sometimes people would ask me about it. Does anyone really think I and those asking should have been fired for those discussions on the clock?

These people are being targeted for being LGBTQ, rather than any substantive violation of law or policy.
 
gtyellowjacket said:
Not cool Trump lawyers.

Kind of surprised that the US attorney handles DC crimes. DC has their own police force and other services. I would have thought the prosecutors office would fall under local control as well.
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They are *not* Trump's lawyers. That's the point. They're the United States Attorney's Office. They represent the United States, and that entity is not coterminous with the President.
 
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