Trump / Musk (other than DOGE)

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Enigma94 said:
If you voted for Trump that's not what you voted
Badbehavior1015 said:
I believe the deportation of illegals should start in the prisons. Deport them first, then go after homeless illegals. IMO, if an illegal can show they are working and are being productive, they should be given the opportunity to apply for citizenship at that time.
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Note remotely fair to those who are in line legally. Why would you reward people for cutting in line?
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CallMeTyler said:
Estimates of $300B to execute Trump's plan (that's taxpayer funded) which we know won't be well thought out (see border wall). Then compound the cost of deportation with the impact to our economy, which is estimated to be approx. $88B annually.

Then you include the impact to families.

See where this goes?
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Thanks Joe. Trump had it under control but you just couldn’t help yourself thinking about all those future dem voters moving into red states. Now we have to spend $300B to clean up his mess.
 
Taking the low end of their estimate that 20-25 million illegal immigrants are in the country, they’ll need to deport an average of more than 400,000 people per month during Trump’s 48 month term.
 
Callatoroy said:
Why do you think Biden ended “wait in Mexico”? It seemed to work.
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He didn't. The Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals did, and then the pandemic.

Why do you insist on spouting BS, when it has been explained to you so many times? You can't wish away the fact that Remain In Mexico was an unlawful policy. That's why the bipartisan legislation was necessary. All of Trump's bullshit was illegal and contrary to law.
 
1moretimeagain said:
Taking the low end of their estimate that 20-25 million illegal immigrants are in the country, they’ll need to deport an average of more than 400,000 people per month during Trump’s 48 month term.
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How many people did the Nazis shuttle to concentration and/or death camps over the four years after the Final Solution? The Khmer Rouge moved about a million people out of the cities in a matter of months.

The point is that deportation capacity depends in large measure on a) willingness to follow rules; and b) commitment of resources. If Trump tries hard enough, 400,000 deportations will be easy.
 
1moretimeagain said:
Taking the low end of their estimate that 20-25 million illegal immigrants are in the country, they’ll need to deport an average of more than 400,000 people per month during Trump’s 48 month term.
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And that assumes that they can stop all ingress.
 
superrific said:
How many people did the Nazis shuttle to concentration and/or death camps over the four years after the Final Solution? The Khmer Rouge moved about a million people out of the cities in a matter of months.

The point is that deportation capacity depends in large measure on a) willingness to follow rules; and b) commitment of resources. If Trump tries hard enough, 400,000 deportations will be easy.
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Do you really think Trumps going to kill illegals by shuttling them to concentration camps?
 
superrific said:
He didn't. The Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals did, and then the pandemic.

Why do you insist on spouting BS, when it has been explained to you so many times? You can't wish away the fact that Remain In Mexico was an unlawful policy. That's why the bipartisan legislation was necessary. All of Trump's bullshit was illegal and contrary to law.
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Trump wanted to run on the problem, rather than allow bipartisan progress while Biden was in office. He actively worked to block border security legislation.
He's gotten what he wanted. It's now his problem. I'm waiting breathlessly for his solution, because mass deportations will be an absolute sh!tstorm if that is all he's got.
 
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Badbehavior1015 said:
Do you really think Trumps going to kill illegals by shuttling them to concentration camps?
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No, I do not. Do you see any words in my post that predict such a thing? The point is that huge numbers of people can be moved quickly if the will exists for it to happen.

Given what Stephen Miller and others have been expressly describing, I think it's fair to think that they have in mind something like concentration camps. Or maybe the Warsaw ghetto. Probably not death camps, one would hope.
 
Callatoroy said:
Much of what he says is true. The American people corroborated it and many in your media are now starting to call it out. Of course there will be those who dismiss it even though the election results say otherwise. Dismissing it is like what you guys accuse trump of doing…doubling down on stupid.
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What a raging lunatic and fraudster that Flynn is. No wonder you are one of so many of the gullible pawns. Remember, this is the guy secretely meeting with Putin's goons on behalf of Trump's election team. He was caught lying while under federal investigation. He failed to report that he was an agent of a foreign country. He was caught on tape doing the Oath Keepers pledge with his buddies there, or were they neo-nazis? And yes, he is still spouting conspiracy theories.

The "elites" he says now proven guilty of pedophilia and sexual assault (Epstein and Diddy) is NOT the MAGA Qanon conspiracy theory. No, that was ridiculous claims that elites within the Dem party were running Pedo rings. I don't think Epstein and Diddy (who were Trump fanboys) was the MAGA conspiracy.

Ivermectin, masks, social distancing, and vaccines - MAGA ignorance was proven correct on all that?

All men or a majority of men between 18 and 55/60 whatever it is, having to fight to protect their homeland in Ukraine are all Nazis? That is straight out of Tas and Ruskie propaganda. Ridiculous. And we aren't sending billions over there, we are sending billions of old weaponry that is being replaced and funneling money through our workforce and upgrading our weaponry.

Yes, Ukraine was very corrupt - when Putin had his puppet surrogate forced on the people, who stole from citizens and funneled it back to Putin. He was overthrown by actual Ukrainians. The guy was a Putin pawn just like Trump, Manafort, and Flynn. Pawns that were rewarded greatly by Czar Vlad.

This guy is off his rocker, and Calla is sucking it all in like flavoraid from Jonestown.
 
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Damn, krafty, you're certainly not the poster I remember from 6 or 7 years ago.

I appreciate what it took to look at yourself and challenge what you believe. I did similarly a long ,long time ago with religion and appreciate how much you have to reexamine so many things. For me, at least, it made me value what I kept more than when I took them for granted.

Even if you, and the several others here like you, never take another sip of the flavor aid, welcome to the land of reason.

So sue me. Sometimes I like hyperbole.
 
Callatoroy said:
You’re right. Keep on running on transgender rights and undermining parents. Keep on “defunding”. Keep on with your open borders policies. Expand your wokeness. Find ever new ways to to attack those who disagree with you with “ists”, “ots”, and “phobics”. All of that is working so well for you. 90% of this board is so whacked out that you think your arrogance and condescension is somehow charismatic in the eyes of voters.
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I don't think you're having a good faith argument here.

Nobody is for "open borders," so if you want to do something other than parrot falsehoods that have proven effective in republican messaging focus groups, you'll need to at least attempt to deal with/describe actual reality.

Also, I don't know that anyone ran on transgender rights, or undermining parents. It was/is much more important to liberals like myself to run on using tax money to help people out, rather than prioritizing the pocketbooks of the super-rich.

"Arrogance and condescension" is a sword that cuts both ways, and conservatives are just as guilty of it as democrats. Voters in this country are pretty much an even split 35/35, so it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to talk about what "the voters" want.
 
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