Trump / Musk (other than DOGE)

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Calheel said:
Musk: "By now, they should know that I mean what I say"

Except when I call a British diver a pedo, or say that Tesla is going private at $420, or tell my baby mamas that I will be a good dad.
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...or dress up as Baphomet
 
StrangePackage said:
Your naivete is very endearing.

Elon isn't in Congress. He holds no office. He has no accountability to voters. There is no mechanism to control him because the Republicans are entirely in his pocket. He bought a government and he will run it as he sees fit.
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He also has no authority to cut any department, defund any program, fire a single person, etc.
 
farce© said:
But he has the financial wherewithal to remove any elected official who opposes him at the next election.
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Throwing this out there to potentially quell the concerns about the Trump admin.

You say Elon has the financial wherewithal to remove any elected official. I think Trump wins this election without Elon, but that's just speculation.

I recognize that financial support is huge...but I also know that Harris spent about double Trump and still lost.

I would also note that even Trump himself, when he put his full support behind candidates, couldn't get Kari Lake, Dr. Oz, etc elected. He has short coattails.

In other words, I don't see Congress agreeing to anything that is going to put the Republicans at risk in 2026, 2028 and beyond. Trump will be gone. While Trump is popular, none of the other MAGA-type underlings are and he's barely able to get his people into office when he's in power now.
 
ZenMode said:
Throwing this out there to potentially quell the concerns about the Trump admin.

You say Elon has the financial wherewithal to remove any elected official. I think Trump wins this election without Elon, but that's just speculation.

I recognize that financial support is huge...but I also know that Harris spent about double Trump and still lost.

I would also note that even Trump himself, when he put his full support behind candidates, couldn't get Kari Lake, Dr. Oz, etc elected. He has short coattails.

In other words, I don't see Congress agreeing to anything that is going to put the Republicans at risk in 2026, 2028 and beyond. Trump will be gone. While Trump is popular, none of the other MAGA-type underlings are and he's barely able to get his people into office when he's in power now.
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How much would you say the in-kind contribution of misinformation made possible by Twitter was worth to Trump's campaign?
 
ZenMode said:
Throwing this out there to potentially quell the concerns about the Trump admin.

You say Elon has the financial wherewithal to remove any elected official. I think Trump wins this election without Elon, but that's just speculation.

I recognize that financial support is huge...but I also know that Harris spent about double Trump and still lost.

I would also note that even Trump himself, when he put his full support behind candidates, couldn't get Kari Lake, Dr. Oz, etc elected. He has short coattails.

In other words, I don't see Congress agreeing to anything that is going to put the Republicans at risk in 2026, 2028 and beyond. Trump will be gone. While Trump is popular, none of the other MAGA-type underlings are and he's barely able to get his people into office when he's in power now.
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I think Elon's money would be much more effective in Congress. As you noted, Kamala doubled the spend of trump and still lost but over 90% of congressional races were decided in favor of the candidate who spent the most money.

I do think Trump can get an awful lot of Republicans primaried but his record of his candidate winning the general is actually pretty terrible. And I think that's pretty humbling. He did not endorse nearly as many people as strongly this cycle as he has in the past because I don't think he wants to be seen as a loser. So I don't see a lot of Republicans standing up forcefully to Trump but I do see Republicans in swing districts voting however is going to get them reelected and keeping their head down try not to draw Trump's ire.
 
StrangePackage said:
How much would you say the in-kind contribution of misinformation made possible by Twitter was worth to Trump's campaign?
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Not sure. I believe Elon endorsed Trump after first assassination attempt. Did his support have an effect? I'm sure it did. Was that endorsement an election-changing event? I don't believe it was any more than Taylor Swift's endorsement made a huge difference. I think people generally make their own decisions.
 
ZenMode said:
Not sure. I believe Elon endorsed Trump after first assassination attempt. Did his support have an effect? I'm sure it did. Was that endorsement an election-changing event? I don't believe it was any more than Taylor Swift's endorsement made a huge difference. I think people generally make their own decisions.
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He is not speaking about Musk’s endorsement, but instead about Musk’s propaganda machine.
 
ZenMode said:
Throwing this out there to potentially quell the concerns about the Trump admin.

You say Elon has the financial wherewithal to remove any elected official. I think Trump wins this election without Elon, but that's just speculation.

I recognize that financial support is huge...but I also know that Harris spent about double Trump and still lost.

I would also note that even Trump himself, when he put his full support behind candidates, couldn't get Kari Lake, Dr. Oz, etc elected. He has short coattails.

In other words, I don't see Congress agreeing to anything that is going to put the Republicans at risk in 2026, 2028 and beyond. Trump will be gone. While Trump is popular, none of the other MAGA-type underlings are and he's barely able to get his people into office when he's in power now.
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Harris campaign spent more than Trump campaign, but that omit the spending (such as Musk’s) which was done through groups outside the campaign.

There are limits to how much a person can donate to a campaign, so the big money donors operate outside the campaigns. Harris had more money than Trump from “small” donors, but not from the super-wealthy. Those big donor love Mr. Populist lol.
 
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ZenMode said:
Because it would be political suicide for many Republican Senators and Representatives to support a bill re-federalizing abortion, especially such a restrictive bill.
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It's also political suicide when trump wants something and he has his watchdog musk threaten to fund the opponent, since the sitting representative is a RINO.

He doesn't need to be re-elected he can go for anything he wants and who is going to oppose him?
 
1moretimeagain said:
Harris campaign spent more than Trump campaign, but that omit the spending (such as Musk’s) which was done through groups outside the campaign.

There are limits to how much a person can donate to a campaign, so the big money donors operate outside the campaigns. Harris had more money than Trump from “small” donors, but not from the super-wealthy. Those big donor love Mr. Populist lol.
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Mr Populist will reward them well... along with himself and his clan. If you thought the White House was a litter box for political graft and general corruption during trump's first administration, hang around for act two. Not to worry. The likes of Lindsey Graham will be around to add aromatic excuses to quell the stench.
 
ZenMode said:
Throwing this out there to potentially quell the concerns about the Trump admin.

You say Elon has the financial wherewithal to remove any elected official. I think Trump wins this election without Elon, but that's just speculation.

I recognize that financial support is huge...but I also know that Harris spent about double Trump and still lost.

I would also note that even Trump himself, when he put his full support behind candidates, couldn't get Kari Lake, Dr. Oz, etc elected. He has short coattails.

In other words, I don't see Congress agreeing to anything that is going to put the Republicans at risk in 2026, 2028 and beyond. Trump will be gone. While Trump is popular, none of the other MAGA-type underlings are and he's barely able to get his people into office when he's in power now.
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This is extremely naive. Outside dark money PACs can spend unlimited amounts. Musk controls Twitter and can spread immeasurable misinformation about a candidate. He may not be able to elect nutjobs in a general election but he can get nutjobs nominated against “mainstream” Republicans in GOP primaries because Republicans are much more susceptible to his bullshit in primaries than non-Republicans in general elections.

He is threatening to primary Republicans who don’t get on board the Elon train and he can most assuredly remove them from office. Whether he can then elect his nutjob challengers is another question but the threatened party is out in any case.
 
1moretimeagain said:
Harris campaign spent more than Trump campaign, but that omit the spending (such as Musk’s) which was done through groups outside the campaign.

There are limits to how much a person can donate to a campaign, so the big money donors operate outside the campaigns. Harris had more money than Trump from “small” donors, but not from the super-wealthy. Those big donor love Mr. Populist lol.
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I agree that a lot of money makes its way through PACs, but that true for both parties. It seems unlikely, given the large spread on individual donations,that there wasn't a similar spread on donations outside of individuals.
 
ZenMode said:
I agree that a lot of money makes its way through PACs, but that true for both parties. It seems unlikely, given the large spread on individual donations,that there wasn't a similar spread on donations outside of individuals.
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Maybe that’s something good for you to look up.
 
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