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Trump / Musk (other than DOGE)

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So what is the political theory behind wanting as many people as possible willing to do you a bad turn at the worst possible moment?
 
Callatoroy said:
Do you actually think he is planning to take the panama canal? I mean do you seriously think that? How would he do it? He wants something from panama. Likely to stop refugees from coming or help in stemming the flow of drugs. Could be anything. Its the typical trump playbook. Its almost laughable how you guys freak out over something that he isn't even capable of doing. He really does live in your heads rent free. He can literally just post something and your pearls get polished over and over.
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The only thing I "freak out over something he isn't even capable of doing " is competently governing as President Musk's sidekick.
 
Callatoroy said:
Do you actually think he is planning to take the panama canal? I mean do you seriously think that? How would he do it? He wants something from panama. Likely to stop refugees from coming or help in stemming the flow of drugs. Could be anything. Its the typical trump playbook. Its almost laughable how you guys freak out over something that he isn't even capable of doing. He really does live in your heads rent free. He can literally just post something and your pearls get polished over and over.
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So, Trump has no capability to do anything regarding Panama but will try use that non-leverage to his advantage.
I agree, it is just more useless flailing about by Trump that will probably have only mild negative ramifications when really the point is just empty rhetoric for his gullible acolytes so they can think he is fighting for them as he takes away their social security benefits.
 
Callatoroy said:
Do you actually think he is planning to take the panama canal? I mean do you seriously think that? How would he do it? He wants something from panama. Likely to stop refugees from coming or help in stemming the flow of drugs. Could be anything. Its the typical trump playbook. Its almost laughable how you guys freak out over something that he isn't even capable of doing. He really does live in your heads rent free. He can literally just post something and your pearls get polished over and over.
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And you see this as a legitimate form of diplomacy?
 
mynameisbond said:
And you see this as a legitimate form of diplomacy?
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I see this as trump's way of diplomacy. I often think surely these people see this for what it is and then I see a thread like this and think these people really think he is planning on taking the panama canal.
 
ChileG said:
So, Trump has no capability to do anything regarding Panama but will try use that non-leverage to his advantage.
I agree, it is just more useless flailing about by Trump that will probably have only mild negative ramifications when really the point is just empty rhetoric for his gullible acolytes so they can think he is fighting for them as he takes away their social security benefits.
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It sure sent this group on here into a frenzy so maybe he thinks it will work on panama as well.
 
finesse said:
We'd need to add Puerto Rico to help balance the national cooling.
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Before the Civil War, white Southern slaveowners were freaking out about slave states steadily falling behind the free states in population growth, and so there were efforts before the war for the South to buy or take over places that they felt they could turn into new slave states or territories. One was Cuba, and there was apparently some discussion in the South of just keeping parts of Mexico after the Mexican War, which of course didn't happen. In the end they focused on trying to open the Western territories taken from Mexico to slavery, which aroused strong free state opposition and helped bring on the Civil War. James McPherson writes about all this in his chapter "An Empire for Slavery" in his Pulitzer-prize winning Battle Cry of Freedom.

I know that Pat Buchanan used to openly talk about annexing parts of Canada to keep our white population up, so I don't find it surprising that there is discussion among Trumpers of annexing places like Canada and Greenland, and none about making Puerto Rico a state. And anyone who thinks the racial component of Canada and Puerto Rico isn't a factor in such discussions is very naive, imo.
 
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Callatoroy said:
Do you actually think he is planning to take the panama canal? I mean do you seriously think that? How would he do it? He wants something from panama. Likely to stop refugees from coming or help in stemming the flow of drugs. Could be anything. Its the typical trump playbook. Its almost laughable how you guys freak out over something that he isn't even capable of doing. He really does live in your heads rent free. He can literally just post something and your pearls get polished over and over.
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Not likely. But if trump really wanted Panama and/or the canal, who is going to stop him? Actually, at some point we may have to reclaim the canal. Reclaim not just for national security but also to keep the darn thing functioning.
 
Callatoroy said:
Do you actually think he is planning to take the panama canal? I mean do you seriously think that? How would he do it? He wants something from panama. Likely to stop refugees from coming or help in stemming the flow of drugs. Could be anything. Its the typical trump playbook. Its almost laughable how you guys freak out over something that he isn't even capable of doing. He really does live in your heads rent free. He can literally just post something and your pearls get polished over and over.
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If he isn't, then why does he even discuss it?

Exactly, typical trump playbook, lie lie lie.
 
Callatoroy said:
Do you actually think he is planning to take the panama canal? I mean do you seriously think that? How would he do it? He wants something from panama. Likely to stop refugees from coming or help in stemming the flow of drugs. Could be anything. Its the typical trump playbook. Its almost laughable how you guys freak out over something that he isn't even capable of doing. He really does live in your heads rent free. He can literally just post something and your pearls get polished over and over.
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So Trump is a man you can never take at his word, correct? I get it, he's all poker-style bluffing and bullshit, saying the most outrageous nonsense, to gain leverage in negotiations with the heads of state/government of other sovereign nations. Is a person with such characteristics a person you would want as President of the USA?

I would suggest that there is an adult way to negotiate with the leaders of other nations which doesn't involve being a shifty, two-faced asshole like Trump.
 
Bobfripp said:
So Trump is a man you can never take at his word, correct? I get it, he's all poker-style bluffing and bullshit, saying the most outrageous nonsense, to gain leverage in negotiations with the heads of state/government of other sovereign nations. Is a person with such characteristics a person you would want as President of the USA?

I would suggest that there is an adult way to negotiate with the leaders of other nations which doesn't involve being a shifty, two-faced asshole like Trump.
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And in a way that hurts Americans when just doing nothing would be preferable.
Like his current tariff b.s.
 
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