Trump / Musk (other than DOGE)

[dukeman92]

doubtful.

he spews nonsense and then tucks tail and ignores it when people refute his BS.

Like all MAGAts

 

[4thgenheel]

It's not that simple.

Utah is the third lowest death rate on your list.

Nebraska was 12th lowest.

Every state that didn't have a lockdown was better than Arizona, which had the worst per capita death rate and locked down.

a lot of it is that simple, though. the upper half of the list is mostly red states that instituted no or half-assed safety measures.

regarding AZ: Coronavirus: Things US has got wrong - and right
"In the two-month period after Governor of Arizona Doug Ducey abruptly ended Arizona's statewide lockdown on May 15, 2020, the seven-day moving average of new COVID-19 cases in Arizona soared, from an average of 377 cases per day to 3,249 cases on July 15. On July 8, Arizona reported as many new cases of COVID-19 as the entire European Union, while having 1/60th of the population."

 

[UNCatTech]

It's not that simple.

Wow, we can agree on something.

This isn't some single variable debate, it was and is very very complicated.

There is no smoking gun. Based on your earlier comments, why are the 7 states that didn't lock down the lowest in death rate per capita? Shouldn't they be if the lock downs were not needed? Why wasn't California the top of this list? They have the greatest population, and they locked down? Think Hawaii being at the bottom has anything to do with their natural distancing?

 

[dcphx]

Wait until he cuts their SS and health insurance. The war has only just begun.

 

[sringwal]

But, generally, would you agree that the vast majority of the states on the lower end tend to be blue states and more likely to lockdown, whereas the vast majority of red states were on the higher end regarding death totals?

 

[Ramrouser]

Two things to keep in mind.

1. Ramrouser has no clue how the judicial process works. If he's being honest that he's a lawyer, and that's a big if, he's a family lawyer, which means he's about as disconnected from the judicial system as he can get.

2. Ramrouser's salary is being paid by Ray Smith, who was indicted by Fani Willis for attempting to overturn the 2020 election in Georgia by fraudulently soliciting "alternative" delegates to assign Georgia's electoral votes to Trump.

So when you think about the worst possible attorney in the world, completely bereft of any morals or principles, that's Ramrouser. Assuming he's not just a flat-out liar, that is.

You have no idea what you're talking about so you just keep on spouting lies about me and my colleague:

1. My practice encompasses a broad range of civil cases including family law. In my years of practice I've represented clients in almost all types of civil cases in state and Federal courts, excluding bankruptcy and most plaintiff's personal injury cases.

2. No one is paying me a salary as I am self employed and have been so for most of my career. This lawfare "indictment" you keep referring to, and appear to be obsessed with, is now on life support and soon will be dead. Now, the prosecutor is going to be investigated and I'm going to enjoy every minute of it since she's made a joke of Fulton County's DA's office. At least in your latest post you've ceased calling my colleague, by name, a felon when he most certainly is not.

I have no idea why you continue to constantly post lies about me and my professional practice simply because we have political differences. But hey, if that entertains you on a Friday.....

 

[superrific]

it appears we need a separate thread for relitigating covid responses.

i would point out that the anti-public health crowd tends to focus almost entirely on death tolls and their own inconvenience. hey, you know who else matters? doctors and nurses. many, many doctors and nurses retired or left the profession because of covid burnout. imagine the stress if the curve hadn't been flattened by social distancing. but maga doesn't care about them.

and basically, my position about vaccines is this: vaccines are the greatest public health innovation ever. unlike almost every other aspect of our health care system, the supply of vaccines is more or less unlimited. when you see a doctor, you are using time that could be used to see other patients, you are consuming scarce resources in a system defined by scarcity. that isnt true of vaccines.

so if you dont get a vaccine (unless you have a strong justification), then you should forfeit the right to medical treatment for that condition. that choice was on you. we shouldn't let you consume scarce public resources because you are too much of a scared-of-shots whiners (this is surely more common than maga will admit), ignorant fool, and/or lazy ass to get an arm prick that takes 20-30 minutes tops with wait.

 

[BlooVooDoo]

I look forward to a bunch of white guys carrying torches and marching through a college town chanting “The tech bros will not replace us!”

 

[dcphx]

I look forward to a bunch of white guys carrying torches and marching through a college town chanting “The tech bros will not replace us!”

The security for that march will be provided by a combination of Boston Dynamics robots and Tesla robots.

 

[lawtig02]

You have no idea what you're talking about so you just keep on spouting lies about me and my colleague:

1. My practice encompasses a broad range of civil cases including family law. In my years of practice I've represented clients in almost all types of civil cases in state and Federal courts, excluding bankruptcy and most plaintiff's personal injury cases.

2. No one is paying me a salary as I am self employed and have been so for most of my career. This lawfare "indictment" you keep referring to, and appear to be obsessed with, is now on life support and soon will be dead. Now, the prosecutor is going to be investigated and I'm going to enjoy every minute of it since she's made a joke of Fulton County's DA's office. At least in your latest post you've ceased calling my colleague, by name, a felon when he most certainly is not.

I have no idea why you continue to constantly post lies about me and my professional practice simply because we have political differences. But hey, if that entertains you on a Friday.....

You're an embarrassment to the legal profession. I have no idea why you continue to debase yourself by admitting your absolute contempt for basic ethics, but you do you, I guess. The rest of us will try to do enough good to cover for the damage you've done.

 

[BlooVooDoo]

This is another situation where two things can be true at the same time. One truth, likely based on what we saw happening in Italy early in the pandemic, is that there was overreaction on the part of federal, state and local governments. Overreaction in the form of unnecessary lockdowns in areas where it wasn't necessary. Overreaction in the form of constructing large, temporary hospital expansions with the expectation of mass hospitalizations that never came to fruition. Overreaction in the form of discharging military personnel who wouldn't get the vaccine. The big one, at least for me, was the federal government's attempt to use OSHA to force 80 million Americans to get vaccinated.

The other truth is that some lives were possibly saved by the measures taken. Were a lot of lives saved? Probably not because Covid ended up not being nearly as deadly as we thought, but I think social distancing, lockdowns, etc probably saved some lives that may have been lost to select hospitals being overwhelmed.

Hopefully, we learned from the mistakes of Covid and will handle the next dangerous pandemic a little better.

Your grasp of best practices in immunology and public health seems even weaker than that of the esteemed Dr Lynch. Impressive.

 

[dcphx]

At this point it would be interesting to compile a list of legacy and social media sites that could still be classified as liberal-leaning or even centrist-leaning, and compare it with all of the pro-Trump right-wing networks, including legacy networks that have moved right in the past few years, like Politico, the WaPo, and LA Times. My guess is that the list of truly centrist or left-leaning networks (especially those that are willing to challenge Trump) is growing awfully thin.

Don't worry, Kash has made his own list.

 

[BlooVooDoo]

The security for that march will be provided by a combination of Boston Dynamics robots and Tesla robots.

I assume the part of a MAGA extremist who runs over a young woman will be played by a Tesla on autopilot.

 

[superrific]

2. No one is paying me a salary as I am self employed and have been so for most of my career. This lawfare "indictment" you keep referring to, and appear to be obsessed with, is now on life support and soon will be dead.

if that is true, it won't be because your colleague was innocent. it just means he will have gotten away with a felony, and one that is more unpatriotic than the vast majority. if fani messed it up beyond repair (which is doubtful and nobody would blink an eye but for the profile of the case and the biases of georgia courts), that doesnt mean your guy didn't commit the felony. he should be disbarred at a minimum.

that you use the word lawfare in connection with a prosecution of the attempt to convince the secretary of state to "find me enough votes so i can win" is mind-boggling. if there was ever a case of public corruption, that's it. it's right up there with blagojevich selling a senate seat (and note rod was a dem; i had no issue condemning him). if that can't be prosecuted then we should have no laws about corruption since its hard to imagine anything more blatant. well, thats not quite true. organizing bogus electors to lie about their states' votes is probably more blatantly an affront to elections.

why is that people like you cant condemn the corruption so plainly visible. it is not a mere political disagreement. it is fundamental to self-government. and all you do is whatabout to non-existent bullshit. whatever hunter biden did or didnt do, it is in no way comparable to literally pressuring the secretary of state to rig an election by "finding" votes. hunter biden's criminality compared to trumps criminality is like kj smith to rj davis.

 

[Callatoroy]

Things keep going bad to worse for Fani. Judge just ordered her to appear before the State Senate committee to be grilled about, among other things, her offices’ coordination with the DOJ in her effort to target Trump. SHE’s the one who is going to end up in jail before everything is said and done.

Hopefully you are right.

 

[Healing]

I assume the part of a MAGA extremist who runs over a young woman will be played by a Tesla on autopilot.

Definitely a cybertruck.

 

[superrific]

The security for that march will be provided by a combination of Boston Dynamics robots and Tesla robots.

not exactly. the bd robots will pulverize the tesla ones in about five minutes. then they will do the job.

 

[lawtig02]

You have no idea what you're talking about so you just keep on spouting lies about me and my colleague:

1. My practice encompasses a broad range of civil cases including family law. In my years of practice I've represented clients in almost all types of civil cases in state and Federal courts, excluding bankruptcy and most plaintiff's personal injury cases.

2. No one is paying me a salary as I am self employed and have been so for most of my career. This lawfare "indictment" you keep referring to, and appear to be obsessed with, is now on life support and soon will be dead. Now, the prosecutor is going to be investigated and I'm going to enjoy every minute of it since she's made a joke of Fulton County's DA's office. At least in your latest post you've ceased calling my colleague, by name, a felon when he most certainly is not.

I have no idea why you continue to constantly post lies about me and my professional practice simply because we have political differences. But hey, if that entertains you on a Friday.....

By the way, I don't respond the way I do to you because you're conservative. I respond as I do because you're literally the only person on here who's depraved enough to try to defend the anti-American assault on democracy waged by your boss and his compatriots following the 2020 election. If you had the balls to disown your boss and call him out for the treasonous bastard he is, I'd respond to you very differently. But you just double down on the criminality of MAGA and its erosion of the rule of law. I respect a ton of lawyers who see the world differently than I do. But if you think your boss should not spend the rest of his life in prison, I have nothing but contempt for you. You should not have the privilege of representing your clients before courts of law.

 

[Bobfripp]

This is another situation where two things can be true at the same time. One truth, likely based on what we saw happening in Italy early in the pandemic, is that there was overreaction on the part of federal, state and local governments. Overreaction in the form of unnecessary lockdowns in areas where it wasn't necessary. Overreaction in the form of constructing large, temporary hospital expansions with the expectation of mass hospitalizations that never came to fruition. Overreaction in the form of discharging military personnel who wouldn't get the vaccine. The big one, at least for me, was the federal government's attempt to use OSHA to force 80 million Americans to get vaccinated.

The other truth is that some lives were possibly saved by the measures taken. Were a lot of lives saved? Probably not because Covid ended up not being nearly as deadly as we thought, but I think social distancing, lockdowns, etc probably saved some lives that may have been lost to select hospitals being overwhelmed.

Hopefully, we learned from the mistakes of Covid and will handle the next dangerous pandemic a little better.

Ask anyone who worked in an emergency room during Covid if they thought the gov't overreacted during Covid, or that mask/vaccines mandates were stupid.

 

[ZenMode]

Your grasp of best practices in immunology and public health seems even weaker than that of the esteemed Dr Lynch. Impressive.

Oh, we vaccinate LOTS of people without economy-crushing lockdowns, discharging our military personnel, forcing the closure of small businesses, disallowing people from gathering with family and friends, etc.

The science behind immunology is different from all of that.