Trump orders troops to “War ravaged” PORTLAND

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hereiam39 said:
Again, wrong analogy. Keep getting parking tickets and eventually they will boot you/tow your car which yields more fees, expenses, etc, It is LEGAL to underpay your quarterly taxes. Or not pay them at all as long as you pay everything when you file, along with the penalties. Again, I have paid NO quarterly taxes for at least 10 years now. I have been audited once by the IRS during those 10 years. Nothing has ever been done to me, and I was told that what I was doing was totally fine by the IRS auditor. A penalty does not equate illegality.

Underpayment of estimated tax by individuals penalty | Internal Revenue Service

The Underpayment of Estimated Tax by Individuals Penalty applies to individuals, estates and trusts if you don't pay enough estimated tax on your income or you pay it late. The penalty may apply even if we owe you a refund.
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I have no idea what that link is supposed to prove. Here's a link to the statute.

www.law.cornell.edu

26 U.S. Code § 6654 - Failure by individual to pay estimated income tax

www.law.cornell.edu www.law.cornell.edu

Subsection (c)(1) is clear. "There shall be 4 required installments for each taxable year." I don't know how much more clearly the law could say that you are required to pay quarterly installments. Thus if you do not pay, you are breaking the law -- i.e. not following the instructions laid down in statute.

Just because the penalty is a fine doesn't mean it's legal in any way.

Where'd you get your law degree, out of curiosity?
 
Calheel said:
Exactly. And the crazy lefties in Portland will happily oblige him - as there are a shit ton of them looking for a fight. This has Kent State vibes all over it.
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Immergut was smart and couched a lot of her opinion in the language of state sovereignty.
 
Calheel said:
Exactly. And the crazy lefties in Portland will happily oblige him - as there are a shit ton of them looking for a fight. This has Kent State vibes all over it.
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I really hope the antifa types in Portland understand that they will only make this worse by reacting violently. This isn’t a brawl with the Proud Boys - rumbling with the federal government won’t intimidate anyone and will accomplish nothing but taking public opinion away from their side and getting a bunch of them beat up and arrested and making Trump et al able to claim there really was unrest that needed to be suppressed.
 
rodoheel said:
Fight back how? No one is going to win a fight with heavily armed federal officers. The way Trump and ICE will lose this conflict is by public opinion turning decisively against them. Starting to kill federal officers in the street won’t accomplish that.
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I agree but I think it’s impossible for public opinion to turn. Even if they shoot peaceful protesters, right wing media will present it as a riot that needed to be quelled.

This isn’t 1970 Kent State.

This is 2025 and OU’s defense completely shut Kent State down. Oops. I think my AI hallucinated. I mean the media landscape means that we are firmly in a post truth era.
 
Seriously how do these cops/guardsmen et al have so little self esteem that they’re doing this obvious bullying over bullshit? I’ve been self employed for 40 years because I don’t do stupid very well? If you’re telling me to knock to the ground peaceful protesters I’d say that’s stupid and I’m not going to do it?!? They’d have to arrest me too as I just wouldn’t do it.
Shame on everyone who does the bidding of that Voldemort cosplayer Miller! Look at that self loathing Lex Luther mf who’s Jewish and has no qualms about doing the same Nazi shit that was done to his grandmother and relatives!
Yeah thanks MAGA and every mother’s son/daughter of you embracing hate instead of understanding. I hope you all die slowly of the hate and cancer you have caused in this country!
 
ChapelHillSooner said:
I agree but I think it’s impossible for public opinion to turn. Even if they shoot peaceful protesters, right wing media will present it as a riot that needed to be quelled.

This isn’t 1970 Kent State.

This is 2025 and OU’s defense completely shut Kent State down. Oops. I think my AI hallucinated. I mean the media landscape means that we are firmly in a post truth era.
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I share your fears but it is absolutely possible to swing public opinion even today. The media landscape is too diffuse for anyone to truly control the narrative. Public opinion caused the Trump admin to change course with Abrego Garcia, among other things.

Ordinary citizens aren’t fighting and winning against the federal government. That is simply not an option. Continue to make the Trump admin look bad and things will swing hard against Trump. The American people have a lot of warts but they don’t want what is happening in Portland and Chicago. But they have to see and understand who the bad guys are. If people start shooting ICE agents it will get a lot more complicated.
 
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rodoheel said:
I share your fears but it is absolutely possible to swing public opinion even today. The media landscape is too diffuse for anyone to truly control the narrative. Public opinion caused the Trump admin to change course with Abrego Garcia, among other things.

Ordinary citizens aren’t fighting and winning against the federal government. That is simply not an option. Continue to make the Trump admin look bad and things will swing hard against Trump. The American people have a lot of warts but they don’t want what is happening in Portland and Chicago. But they have to see and understand who the bad guys are. If people start shooting ICE agents it will get a lot more complicated.
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I don’t think anyone is arguing that shooting federal agents is wise or moral.

The question is more about legal protests and maybe some civil disobedience.

They are going to turn even legal protests into violence and blame the protesters but, on the other hand, we can’t just surrender in defeat.
 
ChapelHillSooner said:
I don’t think anyone is arguing that shooting federal agents is wise or moral.

The question is more about legal protests and maybe some civil disobedience.

They are going to turn even legal protests into violence and blame the protesters but, on the other hand, we can’t just surrender in defeat.
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Ok so what do you realistically mean by “fight back”? Give me an example of “fighting back” that you think would be helpful or appropriate. I have zero problem with civil disobedience but I honestly don’t know what you would consider “fighting back” in this circumstance.

My personal preference would honestly be to simply abandon the protest at the ICE facility for a week. Leave them standing around holding their dicks in their hands. Come back and peacefully protest after things die down a little.
 
ChapelHillSooner said:
I don’t think anyone is arguing that shooting federal agents is wise or moral.

The question is more about legal protests and maybe some civil disobedience.

They are going to turn even legal protests into violence and blame the protesters but, on the other hand, we can’t just surrender in defeat.
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Best we can do is to get back to the last attempt at facism with Nixon and Vietnam? Bottom line is people have the power and don’t need their elected officials to do it. We’re going to need to hit the streets and make sure smart people all over the world don’t think that these idiots in charge are who we Americans are!
Of course I’m an old but I think it’s important that I help the next generations.
“Nolite sinere nebulones vincere!”(been awhile but hope I got it right)
 
superrific said:
I have no idea what that link is supposed to prove. Here's a link to the statute.

www.law.cornell.edu

26 U.S. Code § 6654 - Failure by individual to pay estimated income tax

www.law.cornell.edu www.law.cornell.edu

Subsection (c)(1) is clear. "There shall be 4 required installments for each taxable year." I don't know how much more clearly the law could say that you are required to pay quarterly installments. Thus if you do not pay, you are breaking the law -- i.e. not following the instructions laid down in statute.

Just because the penalty is a fine doesn't mean it's legal in any way.

Where'd you get your law degree, out of curiosity?
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I have read that statute many times over the years. Please show somewhere within your link, or any other, that I will go to jail, or any other penalty besides a fee based on the going interest rate. There is none. Any crime/illegal act has an escalating form of punishment to deter its repeated happening. Not filing estimated quarterly has none. Many accountants, tax lawyers, and others suggest to not file quarterly taxes and invest the expected amount owed until filing at the end of the tax year. This is NOT the case in all instances, but appropriate for many. The ONLY thing that happens by not doing so is a fee at the end of the year. As long as the government gets what they are owed on April 15th, they care not.

GT tried to make an analogy comparing this to speeding tickets. As long as I pay the tickets, everything is fine. But that is wrong. If I keep speeding repeatedly, I can lose my license, possible jail time. insurance rates definitely increase, etc. However, if I keep paying the fees that are imposed due to my not paying quarterly estimated taxes, the IRS smiles, thanks me, and wishes me a good day until next year. They don't care.

For the last time, as this is ridiculous, I have been doing this for 10 years now. It fits my situation better than filing quarterly. Nary a peep from the IRS. EVER. I have been audited by the IRS during that time, because I missed an account that had capital gains when filing, but the auditor agreed with my decision to not file quarterly as I made money by doing so. Peace out everyone, as this thread has been derailed long enough.
 
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rodoheel said:
Ok so what do you realistically mean by “fight back”? Give me an example of “fighting back” that you think would be helpful or appropriate. I have zero problem with civil disobedience but I honestly don’t know what you would consider “fighting back” in this circumstance.

My personal preference would honestly be to simply abandon the protest at the ICE facility for a week. Leave them standing around holding their dicks in their hands. Come back and peacefully protest after things die down a little.
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i don’t know. I don’t have any answers because I am not sure there are any. This administration is looking for a fight and they will start one if needed.

Maybe backing off for a week is the right move. But even so, that just isn’t realistic. You can’t coordinate large numbers of people like that especially when emotions are high.

Even if protesters did that, the administration will just keep looking for a fight. They can turn any peaceful protest into violence and make it appear the protesters are at fault but I don’t think abandoning protests permanently is a solution. That is just submitting in advance.

No easy answers and that is because there is a sophisticated media ecosystem which will spin even the worst atrocities so that the victims are blamed.

Edit: By the way, I was wondering exactly when I said fight back and looked back and I never said that. Carolina Fever said fight back. You responded and I responded to your response.
 
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ChapelHillSooner said:
i don’t know. I don’t have any answers because I am not sure there are any. This administration is looking for a fight and they will start one if needed.

Maybe backing off for a week is the right move. But even so, that just isn’t realistic. You can’t coordinate large numbers of people like that especially when emotions are high.

Even if protesters did that, the administration will just keep looking for a fight. They can turn any peaceful protest into violence and make it appear the protesters are at fault but I don’t think abandoning protests permanently is a solution. That is just submitting in advance.

No easy answers and that is because there is a sophisticated media ecosystem which will spin even the worst atrocities so that the victims are blamed.
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They will keep flash banging apartments till someone stands their ground, which they will then use as an excuse to shoot first and ask questions later. Stephen Miller doesn't care if the brown people are deported or dead.
 
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