Trump orders troops to “War ravaged” PORTLAND

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altmin said:
They will keep flash banging apartments till someone stands their ground, which they will then use as an excuse to shoot first and ask questions later. Stephen Miller doesn't care if the brown people are deported or dead.
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Stephen Miller doesnt care who is dead. He will sacrifice any people in any numbers to achieve his objectives of a militarized takeover of American society.
 
rodoheel said:
Ok so what do you realistically mean by “fight back”? Give me an example of “fighting back” that you think would be helpful or appropriate. I have zero problem with civil disobedience but I honestly don’t know what you would consider “fighting back” in this circumstance.

My personal preference would honestly be to simply abandon the protest at the ICE facility for a week. Leave them standing around holding their dicks in their hands. Come back and peacefully protest after things die down a little.
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I had a similar thought. Don’t waste time with protests. That’s taking the bait IMO. Let the Guard show up and do nothing for whatever number days they are there. That makes the whole thing look really stupid and an absolute waste of taxpayer money. And it shows it was all a BS premise to begin with.
 
wmheel1287 said:
Stephen Miller doesnt care who is dead. He will sacrifice any people in any numbers to achieve his objectives of a militarized takeover of American society.
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Every time I hear or read something Stephen Miller says, I wonder how someone could turn out to be so rotten. And I further wonder how someone so rotten could make it so far in life. There are countless people in Trump’s orbit, including Trump himself, who are truly rotten people. But Miller just seems to be on a completely different level. Like he’s a robot programmed to be devoid of humanity, empathy, personality, likability, and even the capacity for joy.
 
Icky Mettle said:
Every time I hear or read something Stephen Miller says, I wonder how someone could turn out to be so rotten. And I further wonder how someone so rotten could make it so far in life. There are countless people in Trump’s orbit, including Trump himself, who are truly rotten people. But Miller just seems to be on a completely different level. Like he’s a robot programmed to be devoid of humanity, empathy, personality, likability, and even the capacity for joy.
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Miller was born a sociopath. It was apparently evident when he was a teenager.
 


(Reposted by Stephen Miller)
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This is why I hate the news and today's politics.
On one side, Republicans are pretending that Portland is war ravaged and they troops are being sent to address the war ravaging , while all they're really doing is standing around an ICE building.
On the other side, Democrats appear to be responding to Republicans lies about what the NG is doing in Portland and are pretending there's something wrong with the NG standing around a federal ICE building.
 
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ZenMode said:
This is why I hate the news and today's politics.

On one side, Republicans are pretending they Portland is war ravaged and they troops are being sent to address the issue, while all they're really doing is standing around an ICE building.

On the other side, Democrats appear to be responding to Republicans lies about what the NG is doing in Portland and are pretending there's something wrong with the NG standing around a federal ICE building.
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Excellent comparison between two equal things. Thanks much for sharing.
 
hereiam39 said:
I have read that statute many times over the years. Please show somewhere within your link, or any other, that I will go to jail, or any other penalty besides a fee based on the going interest rate.
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All right, I'm only replying to this thread diversion because there is an important point here. The available remedy or punishment does not determine legality. Those are two separate concepts, and it's important to keep them distinct in mind. For instance:

1. The Hatch Act specifies that government employees are not to engage in overtly partisan political activity except on their own time. Trump and his administration break this rule all the time. The Hatch Act does not, to my knowledge, provide for any meaningful remedies. That does not in any way mean that the behavior is legal.

2. Trump is destroying boats off the coast of Venezuela. The Supreme Court has said there's no criminal liability for the president as long as it's an "official act" and that would be. So the consequences to Trump will be zero. But that does not mean the activity is legal. It is illegal. It simply lacks a remedy.

3. You are taking advantage of a light remedy. Fine. If you're fine paying fees and whatever, then maybe it makes sense to do the illegal things because it's still profitable for you. That's kind of like what Ford did with the Pinto -- it was cheaper to just compensate the victims than fix the problem (that wasn't strictly speaking a question of legality so I'm only using it as an analogy).

You seem to be really vested in the activity not being illegal. I'm not sure why. You can do it. You're happy doing it. Why does it matter to you whether I give you the super stamp of approval? I'm not going to. It's very, very, very far from the most egregious tax-related behavior and thus I don't really care at all.

4. It's just important, and again I will emphasize, the lack of remedy or punishment does not determine the legality of an action. It just doesn't. I don't care how many times you've read that statute. This is a basic concept of law.
 


“President Donald Trump is sending 300 California National Guard members to Oregon after a judge blocked the administration from deploying that state’s guard to Portland, according to California Gov. Gavin Newsom.

Newsom pledged Sunday to fight the move in court.

… Newsom, a Democrat, said in a statement that California personnel were on their way Sunday and called the deployment “a breathtaking abuse of the law and power.”

“The commander-in-chief is using the U.S. military as a political weapon against American citizens,” Newsom said in the statement.

“We will take this fight to court, but the public cannot stay silent in the face of such reckless and authoritarian conduct by the president of the United States.”…”
 
ZenMode said:
This is why I hate the news and today's politics.
On one side, Republicans are pretending that Portland is war ravaged and they troops are being sent to address the war ravaging , while all they're really doing is standing around an ICE building.
On the other side, Democrats appear to be responding to Republicans lies about what the NG is doing in Portland and are pretending there's something wrong with the NG standing around a federal ICE building.
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The national guard standing around because the state governor ordered them out in response to a legitimate emergency would be one thing. The president trying to federalize the NG and deploy it under his control under the flimsiest of pretexts is something else entirely. “Boside” this issue if you must (we all know it’s your M.O.) but if this is a “both sides” issue it’s about 98% on one side and 2% on the other.
 
nycfan said:




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And yet we had posters on here last year seriously arguing that Trump was much better mentally than Biden, lol. I'm not defending Biden or especially those who thought he could run and serve again, but anyone who argues that Trump is in better shape than Biden mentally no longer deserves to be taken seriously as a poster, imo. The guy's brain is out to lunch and has been for much longer than Biden's. He creates his own fantasy-reality and demands that everyone else play along with it. And he's surrounded himself this term with boot-lickers and butt-kissers who are willing to tell him only what he wants to hear and do his bidding down to even his smallest whims, just like you'd expect in a banana republic dictatorship. And yet some of the posters who argued that Trump is more with it mentally than Biden are still here defending shit like his sending military troops in a brazen occupation of American cities which just happen to vote Democratic. A cult. His presidency and political party are a cult of personality, period.
 
Icky Mettle said:
Every time I hear or read something Stephen Miller says, I wonder how someone could turn out to be so rotten. And I further wonder how someone so rotten could make it so far in life. There are countless people in Trump’s orbit, including Trump himself, who are truly rotten people. But Miller just seems to be on a completely different level. Like he’s a robot programmed to be devoid of humanity, empathy, personality, likability, and even the capacity for joy.
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“I have a plan”
 
Just did a quick search. There’s no record of Trump ever visiting Portland. He’s only been in Chicago twice since he was elected in 2016. Neither trip was for more than a day and he does not appear to have left the business district. So no surprise, but Trump has no clue what conditions are on the ground in either city.
 
lawtig02 said:
Just did a quick search. There’s no record of Trump ever visiting Portland. He’s only been in Chicago twice since he was elected in 2016. Neither trip was for more than a day and he does not appear to have left the business district. So no surprise, but Trump has no clue what conditions are on the ground in either city.
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He knows. He knows how to use the internet. He can see everything. He's just bullshitting like always. Gaslighting. All of his administration. Just all gaslighting all the time.
 
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