Trump Rallies & Interviews Catch-All | Trump - “just stop talking about that”

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Illithor said:
When you watch the video in full context, he's talking about neocons in Washington who are willing to send troops into needless wars. This wasn't a call to put Cheney in front of a firing squad, it was a remark that these politicians don't care about the horrors of war.
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Maybe. But it was also a misogynist comment.

I've read a lot of anti-war agitprop over the years. Studied the anti-war movement in the 60s. Talked to anti war people. I have never once heard someone make the argument by fantasizing about shoving guns in their faces. Like, that would have been too far even for Weatherman.

Likewise, I've never heard anyone say in public, "she's got blood coming out of her, you know," as a way of criticizing women.

Similarly, I've never heard anyone ever talk about grabbing women by the pussy -- not in any locker room I've ever been in.

See the pattern here?
 
Of all the offensive things that clown has said, saying that Warhawks like Liz Cheney should understand what it’s like to face down gunfire is about the bottom of the list. War criminals like her dad are a huge part of the reason we are in the position we are in now internationally. I don’t know what has gotten into progressives. This isn’t in dispute. War hawks that reside in this country (and Liz Cheney is one) have done so much harm. They would wise to understand what’s it’s like for the brave folks who go overseas to get shot at. They like my don’t care as many don’t have the same skin complexion has she does.
 
HintonJamesHeel said:
Of all the offensive things that clown has said, saying that Warhawks like Liz Cheney should understand what it’s like to face down gunfire is about the bottom of the list. War criminals like her dad are a huge part of the reason we are in the position we are in now internationally. I don’t know what has gotten into progressives. This isn’t in dispute. War hawks that reside in this country (and Liz Cheney is one) have done so much harm. They would wise to understand what’s it’s like for the brave folks who go overseas to get shot at. They like my don’t care as many don’t have the same skin complexion has she does.
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Yes, it’s much better to threaten to use military troops to kill American citizens and civilians, as Trump has done. He obviously loves and honors soldiers.
 
HintonJamesHeel said:
Of all the offensive things that clown has said, saying that Warhawks like Liz Cheney should understand what it’s like to face down gunfire is about the bottom of the list. War criminals like her dad are a huge part of the reason we are in the position we are in now internationally. I don’t know what has gotten into progressives. This isn’t in dispute. War hawks that reside in this country (and Liz Cheney is one) have done so much harm. They would wise to understand what’s it’s like for the brave folks who go overseas to get shot at. They like my don’t care as many don’t have the same skin complexion has she does.
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What in the literal fuck is the matter with you? A presidential candidate discussing a political opponent getting shot in the face by a firing squad of nine rifles, after having previously discussed trying her and executing her before a military tribunal, is completely and totally fucking unacceptable. End of story, full stop. Does not matter the context. You need to look in the mirror and figure out where the fuck you’ve gone wrong in your ideology if you believe that Liz Cheney is somehow worthy of being talked about that way by a freaking presidential candidate because of any or policy position she has held in the past.

You should be on bended knee thanking that poster Paine for giving a good name to progressive ideology, because every single time you post, you remind me and I am sure many others why we think folks on your end of the ideological spectrum are fucking lunatics.

Edited to add: apologies to everyone else for the excessive profanity. I have just had it up to here with seeing people shrug away Trump’s fetishizing and fantasizing murdering political opponents.
 
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rodoheel said:
It's always amusing to me that Elon Musk, whose most valuable asset is his electric car company, has for stupid reasons decided to throw his lot in with a guy who is aggressively anti-electric vehicles.
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But is Tesla his most valuable asset? I think he's reading the writing on the wall. Tesla cars suck. The Chinese EVs are going to eat his lunch.

He's focusing on SpaceX, which will allow him to feed off Trump's corruptive teat, and his equity % is higher there I would imagine.
 
superrific said:
But is Tesla his most valuable asset? I think he's reading the writing on the wall. Tesla cars suck. The Chinese EVs are going to eat his lunch.

He's focusing on SpaceX, which will allow him to feed off Trump's corruptive teat, and his equity % is higher there I would imagine.
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You may be right that SpaceX could become more valuable than Tesla, especially because it's a vehicle to increase his satellite coverage in space.
 
ICFree said:
I'm just saying....trump nor anyone in his orbit is worth this defense.
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It’s not a defense.
EyeballKid said:
Yes, it’s much better to threaten to use military troops to kill American citizens and civilians, as Trump has done. He obviously loves and honors soldiers.
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EyeballKid said:
Yes, it’s much better to threaten to use military troops to kill American citizens and civilians, as Trump has done. He obviously loves and honors soldiers.
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When in the blue hell did I say that? I said Liz Cheney’s dad is a war criminal. I said she’s been a war hawk forever. Saying that she might not be that way if she was on the battlefield is common sense. Sick of her type and GWB, her dad, all the Reagan neocons….
 
HintonJamesHeel said:
It’s not a defense.



When in the blue hell did I say that? I said Liz Cheney’s dad is a war criminal. I said she’s been a war hawk forever. Saying that she might not be that way if she was on the battlefield is common sense. Sick of her type and GWB, her dad, all the Reagan neocons….
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Even if what you say is a legitimate criticism, and I tend to agree, it's still not a justification of what Trump said. This constant tolerance of him always pushing the limits is a lot of the problem. Suggesting there is any legitimacy in what he said, and you do imply that, just strikes a sour note.
 
HintonJamesHeel said:
Of all the offensive things that clown has said, saying that Warhawks like Liz Cheney should understand what it’s like to face down gunfire is about the bottom of the list. War criminals like her dad are a huge part of the reason we are in the position we are in now internationally. I don’t know what has gotten into progressives. This isn’t in dispute. War hawks that reside in this country (and Liz Cheney is one) have done so much harm. They would wise to understand what’s it’s like for the brave folks who go overseas to get shot at. They like my don’t care as many don’t have the same skin complexion has she does.
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1. Trump has said so many offensive things that you can probably make a case for any of them to be pretty far down the list. I won't argue with you on that point.
2. You are right that war hawks are frequently people who never served and never have to. That said, some war hawks did or do serve. Would Cheney have been more reluctant to invade Iraq if it would have been his kids on the frontlines? Maybe. I don't know that you're wrong here either.
3. BUT you're missing the misogyny. Liz Cheney was not really involved in the Iraq business. She wasn't elected until 2016, and while she had positions in the Bush WH, they were not high-ranking officials.

So why is Trump singling her out for this treatment? Why not point the guns in Dick Cheney's face?

4. And you're missing the context. Who gets the firing squad? Traitors. Putting guns in her face is basically accusing her of treason. Whatever you want to say about the Iraq War, it wasn't treason.
 
CFordUNC said:


Should definitely help stop the campaign’s bleeding among women!
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Here Trump reminds me of the professor from Pink Floyd's Another Brick In The Wall Part 2 video, where he's a tough guy in front of the kids, but then goes home at night to reveal he's a giant pussy and is in a Dom/sub relationship with his wife.
 
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HintonJamesHeel said:
It’s not a defense.



When in the blue hell did I say that? I said Liz Cheney’s dad is a war criminal. I said she’s been a war hawk forever. Saying that she might not be that way if she was on the battlefield is common sense. Sick of her type and GWB, her dad, all the Reagan neocons….
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There are a million ways to say that she wouldn't have been pro-war if it was her that is putting her life on the line.

Instead, Trump presented a narrative that evokes images of Cheney facing a firing squad. That isn't an accident. It is exactly what Trump intended.

That is the way Trump uses language. He wants to tell you that Cheney should be facing a firing squad but also wants to give himself an out by saying he was only describing a situation where she would be putting herself at risk by fighting in the wars she promoted.

Another telling thing in his statement was that the hypothetical guns were aimed at her face. When someone is shot in the fact, they generally assume that that is a very personal act perpetuated by someone who has immense animosity towards the victim. He is projecting his animosity towards Cheney which further undermines the idea that he was only speaking about her being at risk in a war.
 
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Kraftyheel89 said:
I've got tickets for the Trump rally in Greensboro tomorrow night. Who wants to go see the freaks and freak show? I need to find a Republicans For Harris or Trump behind bars tee to wear under long sleeve shirt.
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Man, if lived in NC I’d take you up on that faster than Ron DeSantis’s political career imploded.
 
ChapelHillSooner said:
There are a million ways to say that she wouldn't have been pro-war if it was her that is putting her life on the line.

Instead, Trump presented a narrative that evokes images of Cheney facing a firing squad. That isn't an accident. It is exactly what Trump intended.

That is the way Trump uses language. He wants to tell you that Cheney should be facing a firing squad but also wants to give himself an out by saying he was only describing a situation where she would be putting herself at risk by fighting in the wars she promoted.
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Yep. If he was really just criticizing her for being a war hawk, he could say something along the lines of “how would she like to be the one on the front lines” and it would make more sense. But the firing squad reference was a reference to an execution, not that of experiencing the dangers of fighting in a war.
 
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